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Walter Williams is an American ICON and should, like Thomas Sowell, be accorded their rightful respected places in American Scholar circles...

Here is where I and Dr. Williams disagree.

The MONEY that was FORCEFULLY and without MY CONSENT STOLEN from my paycheck for whatever purposes, regardless of those purposes, was still MY MONEY. I earned it.\

It was taken from me without my consent or approval. I had NO SAY in that matter and yet, it came from MY EARNINGS.

Hence it belonged to me and theoretically still does.

I am not duped. I am not ignorant. I know FDR played a PONZI scheme on America and many were thinking to themselves that they will benefit from the backs of others, free money syndrome....

Yes, Social Security is a massive PONZI Scheme Bernie Madoff can only dream about...

That does not mean I am blind to it or agree with it.

What does Dr. WIlliams suggest I as a citizen do about it?? Beside call me names and describe me as "duped"?

He is right until the very end....

GOT a solution that works out for us I would love to hear it Dr. Williams????

It IS MY MONEY. I should be able to tell you to the DIME how much of my money was taken from me without my consent and used for whatever purpose the Federal government wanted to use it for. We allknow the criminal politicians stole it and used it to pay for their over spending and sticking our noses every where in the world we did not belong. Or giving it away like they earned it, to every nation on earth... and redistributing it to anyone and everyone they thought needed it.....


Question for all?

Did Dr. Williams and Jefferson and Madison also mean that tax money should NOT be used to send to help States out with nature's calamities and that States should take care of those issues on their own level???

I am a bit unclear on that.....

Anyway, I find it a bit offensive that Dr. Williams has ascribed willful ignorance (duped) to most of us regarding the theft by government, started by FDR (DEMOCRAT LIBERAL), of money from our earnings for redistribution known as social security AND that the money was not really ours....

One point we have to agree to disagree....

Otherwise, brilliant as ever....


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We're All to Blame For Monster Government
By: Decomposed
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Wed, 13 Sep 17 5:58 PM
Msg. 33972 of 47202

September 13, 2017

We're All to Blame

By Walter E. Williams
LewRockwell.com

The largest threat to our prosperity is government spending that far exceeds the authority enumerated in Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Federal spending in 2017 will top $4 trillion. Social Security, at $1 trillion, will take up most of it. Medicare ($582 billion) and Medicaid ($404 billion) are the next-largest expenditures. Other federal social spending includes food stamps, unemployment compensation, child nutrition, child tax credits, supplemental security income and student loans, all of which total roughly $550 billion. Social spending by Congress consumes about two-thirds of the federal budget.

Where do you think Congress gets the resources for such spending? It’s not the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. The only way Congress can give one American a dollar is to use threats, intimidation and coercion to confiscate that dollar from another American. Congress forcibly uses one American to serve the purposes of another American. We might ask ourselves: What standard of morality justifies the forcible use of one American to serve the purposes of another American? By the way, the forcible use of one person to serve the purposes of another is a fairly good working definition of slavery.

Today’s Americans have little appreciation for how their values reflect a contempt for those of our Founding Fathers. You ask, “Williams, what do you mean by such a statement?” In 1794, Congress appropriated $15,000 to help French refugees who had fled from insurrection in Saint-Domingue (now Haiti). James Madison, the “Father of the Constitution,” stood on the floor of the House to object, saying, “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article in the federal Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” Most federal spending today is on “objects of benevolence.” Madison also said, “Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”

No doubt some congressmen, academics, hustlers and ignorant people will argue that the general welfare clause of the U.S. Constitution authorizes today’s spending. That is simply unadulterated nonsense. Thomas Jefferson wrote, “Congress (has) not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but (is) restrained to those specifically enumerated.” Madison wrote that “if Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one.” In other words, the general welfare clause authorized Congress to spend money only to carry out the powers and duties specifically enumerated in Article 1, Section 8 and elsewhere in the Constitution, not to meet the infinite needs of the general welfare.

We cannot blame politicians for the spending that places our nation in peril. Politicians are doing precisely what the American people elect them to office to do — namely, use the power of their office to take the rightful property of other Americans and deliver it to them. It would be political suicide for a president or a congressman to argue as Madison did that Congress has no right to expend “on objects of benevolence” the money of its constituents and that “charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.” It’s unreasonable of us to expect any politician to sabotage his career by living up to his oath of office to uphold and defend our Constitution. That means that if we are to save our nation from the economic and social chaos that awaits us, we the people must have a moral reawakening and eschew what is no less than legalized theft, the taking from one American for the benefit of another.

I know that some people will say, “Williams, I agree with most of what you say, but not when it comes to Social Security. Social Security is my money I had taken out of my pay for retirement.” If you think that, you’ve been duped. The only way you get a Social Security check is for Congress to take the earnings of a worker. Explanation of your duping can be found on my website, in a 2010 article I wrote titled “Washington’s Lies” (http://tinyurl.com/yd4lh8gg).

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/09/walter-e-williams/were-all-to-blame/


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