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I believe it was President Abraham Lincoln who 'proved' that secession]
was 'not an option' for the individual States.

With that said, it californica does pass such an idea, First thing the rest of
country should do is strip it of all non-defense federal spending.

From this site :
http://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3531/1

The other forty nine States are providing californica with some 375 Billion dollars
total. Almost 55 Billion in medicaid alone. And another 20 Billion in food
stamps and other assorted welfare or 'income redistribution' schemes.

Here is the way I look at welfare. A 'Just' society should help out
its most disadvantaged. But, when huge numbers of able bodied
peoples are living the bulk of their lives on welfare, there is
something seriously wrong with the system.

Look at it this way. People are supposed to pay taxes to pay
for necessary governmental functions. The government is not supposed
to be paying peoples living expenses.

Zim.




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We can only hope!! California Moves One Step Closer To Declaring Independence From US Government
By: capt_nemo
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Sun, 30 Jul 17 5:31 AM
Msg. 30092 of 47202

Authored by Carey Wedler via TheAntiMedia.org,

After a bid to launch a California secession movement failed in April, a more moderate ballot measure has been approved, and its backers now have 180 days to attain nearly 600,000 signatures in order to put it up to vote in the 2018 election.

The Yes California movement advocated full-on secession from the rest of the country, and it gained steam after Donald Trump won the presidential election in 2016. However, as the Sacramento Bee noted, that attempt failed to gather the signatures needed and further floundered after it was accused of having ties to Russia.

But as the Los Angeles Times reported this week:

“On Tuesday afternoon, Atty. Gen. Xavier Becerra’s office released an official title and summary for the initiative, now called the ‘California Autonomy From Federal Government’ initiative.”

The new measure that seeks to set up an advisory commission to inform California’s governor on ways to increase independence from the federal government. It would reportedly cost $1.25 million per year to fund “an advisory commission to assist the governor on California’s independence plus ‘unknown, potentially major, fiscal effects if California voters approved changes to the state’s relationship with the United States at a future election after the approval of this measure,’” the Los Angeles Times reported.

With Becerra’s approval, its backers can now seek the nearly 600,000 signatures required to place the measure on the 2018 ballot.

As the outlet explained:

“The initiative wouldn’t necessarily result in California exiting the country, but could allow the state to be a ‘fully functioning sovereign and autonomous nation’ within the U.S.’”

According to the Attorney General’s official document on the measure, it still appears to advocate secession as the ultimate goal — even if it doesn’t use the term outright.“Repeals provision in California Constitution stating California is an inseparable part of the United States,” the text explains, noting that the governor and California congress members would be expected “to negotiate continually greater autonomy from federal government, up to and including agreement establishing California as a fully independent country, provided voters agree to revise the California Constitution.”

Marcus Ruiz Evans, who is backing this new measure, previously served as Vice President of Yes California before it was pulled in April.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-29/california-moves-one-step-closer-declaring-independence-us-government?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29


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