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Yep. Just took the trash out. Don't need any toxic waste here. A one post wunderklutz.




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Gotta be someplace in Plano - that's about halfway, ain't it?


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Re: WOW - just read thru my running amok posts ... 

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Gotta be someplace in Plano - that's about halfway, ain't it?




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Sounds like a plan.


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Re: WOW - just read thru my running amok posts ... 

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Sat, 25 Feb 17 8:30 PM
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Ran out? Well now, we'll just have to rectify THAT problem! It's been quite a while since we bent an elbow at the same table, Professor ... we need to see if we can arrange a 3-martini (or whatever) lunch sometime after April 15th.


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Re: WOW - just read thru my running amok posts ... 

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...dats prolly permissions but ya can't tell.




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Re: WOW - just read thru my running amok posts ... 

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Ran out? Well now, we'll just have to rectify THAT problem! It's been quite a while since we bent an elbow at the same table, Professor ... we need to see if we can arrange a 3-martini (or whatever) lunch sometime after April 15th.




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Actually - think it was the opposite.

Ran out of booze. I always speak, walk, type, and read better when likkered up, doncha know ?


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Re: WOW - just read thru my running amok posts ... 

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Actually - think it was the opposite.

Ran out of booze. I always speak, walk, type, and read better when likkered up, doncha know ?




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Whatsamatter, Professor ... did ya not add enough ice cubes to yer drink while ya was a typin'? Wink


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Re: WOW - just read thru my running amok posts ... 

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Some pretty glaring and grating errors in grammar, sentence structure, and wordsmithing in them.

 
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Re: WOW - just read thru my running amok posts ... 

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Some pretty glaring and grating errors in grammar, sentence structure, and wordsmithing in them.

My apologies. Hopefully the guts of the messages managed to creep through. Re-emphasizes the need for multiple drafts to refine my writing.

Compos(t)ing solely on computer doesn't hack it for me. A printout and arming with red pencil works better. (and a good long timeout period before each edit pass.)

Will keep that in mind for any serious work from now on.


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Re: WOW - just read thru my running amok posts ... 

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Some pretty glaring and grating errors in grammar, sentence structure, and wordsmithing in them.

 
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Some pretty glaring and grating errors in grammar, sentence structure, and wordsmithing in them.

My apologies. Hopefully the guts of the messages managed to creep through. Re-emphasizes the need for multiple drafts to refine my writing.

Compos(t)ing solely on computer doesn't hack it for me. A printout and arming with red pencil works better. (and a good long timeout period before each edit pass.)

Will keep that in mind for any serious work from now on.


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WOW - just read thru my running amok posts ... 

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Some pretty glaring and grating errors in grammar, sentence structure, and wordsmithing in them.

My apologies. Hopefully the guts of the messages managed to creep through. Re-emphasizes the need for multiple drafts to refine my writing.

Compos(t)ing solely on computer doesn't hack it for me. A printout and arming with red pencil works better. (and a good long timeout period before each edit pass.)

Will keep that in mind for any serious work from now on.




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An Eloquent Defense of REAL FREE SPEECH - First Amendment 

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Setting the stage first - and posting this because it addresses my Article 6 Concerns ....

Email Exchange with A Good Friend ...

>> Second thoughts about McMaster?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/265893/mcmaster-pick-score-one-swamp-robert-spencer

mt> If McMaster really does not believe that islam itself is terrorism, then we have a very dangerous buffoon in charge of National Security.

>> Maybe he needs to meet Ann Barnhardt.
Barnhardt hands Lindsey Graham his balls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sileK9ijZu4

9:35 minutes of riveting defense of Free Speech - absolutely correct, and well founded. The title is spot on accurate, not the usual click-bait that abounds currently about 'jaw-dropping' and so forth.

The United States is one of the very few countries in the world where criticizing the islamofacists as I did above, would not land me in jail, with criminal charges filed against me.




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Re: Constitutional Convention - The Nature of Change - Part 3 of 3 

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Ramifications: This means that 'international law' is no longer acceptable. It greatly effects maritime operations.
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Ummmm. . .
Do 'We' have authority over, say, the South China Sea?
I don't think so. It is not American Territorial waters.

So, who does?
If one asks the Chinese, they might say the American
Navy should be barred from the South China Sea.

International Law - as formulated and accepted by Treaties
provides a framework under which trade and travel can
be accomplished. Along with the right for the American
Navy to conduct operations inside the South China Sea,
as necessary.

Now I would go so far as to say that any 'Treaty' which
runs afoul of the Constitution should be stricken down
as Un-Constitutional.

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Constitutional Convention - The Nature of Change - Part 3 of 3

Structural Change: Article 6 - Limiting the Powers of Treaty

Introduction

There is no larger threat to our right to rule ourselves as sovereign nation than that which is present in Article 6 of the United States Constitution.

This is a reality which comes closer every year; from foreign cultures that criminalize speech that defames a religion, from foreign cultures that legalize many forms of immorality, from foreign cultures that seek to strip all peoples of their right to have and bear arms to protect themselves against oppressive governance.

We have seen these attempts at subjugating all peoples present in numerous modern day treaties, world courts, and other mechanisms.

While it may have been expediency to subjugate the protections of the United States Constitution at the time of this nations founding, in order to secure international acceptance and recognition of a fledgling nation, this is no longer an acceptable state of affairs.

The section of Article 6 that is being actively abused to bring about a totalitarian enslavement of these United States is this:

Article 6 - United States Constitution -

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The problem: ; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.

This is unacceptable. This allows Treaties to become a means for amending THIS CONSTITUTION and putting in place laws and losses of freedoms in conflict with our current body of laws and protections, through the process of making Treaties.

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The Change

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

No Treaty made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States may ever implement laws or changes to This Constitution.
No citizen of these United States shall ever be subject to the power of any foreign power while standing on any territory of These United States, nor shall any citizen of these United States be surrendered to any foreign power, nor be forcibly removed from the territory and jurisdiction of these United States. Citizens of these United States shall only be subject to This Constitution and the Laws of the United States while that citizen remains in United States territory.

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Ramifications: This means that 'international law' is no longer acceptable. It greatly effects maritime operations.

If this stands in the way of Treaties that will be made, or have been made, so be it. Changes to the United States Constitution and the Laws of the United States must ONLY be accomplished by the means and methods specified by this Constition of These United States.

There can be no exceptions. No back door. No granting of power to those to whom we have no recourse against, and to those whom we have no voice in electing.

If Treaties require changes to our laws in order for those agreements to be made, the changes to OUR LAWS must be made first, through OUR LEGISLATURE, OUR CONSTITUTION, and OUR PRESIDENT.

In no case can Treaties, or the United Nations, nor any OTHER foreign power be allowed to govern us. We, the people of these United States, do not grant this power, nor do we relinquish this power to any other.

Yes, this GREATLY modifies the negotiation stance of the United States in dealing with foreign principalities.

This is as it should be.


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Re: Examples of extreme left-wing lunacy are running rampant ... 

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The former president doesn’t get Democrats elected, he gets them defeated.

Obama’s coattails were strongest before he became president, sweeping into office with majorities in the House and the Senate, allowing him to push through Obamacare without a single Republican vote.

Democrats have been losing power and elections at an astonishing rate, ever since.

Bachmann told WND, “Next to Jimmy Carter, Obama single handedly did more to destroy the Democratic Party than the GOP could have ever hoped or planned.”
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Now,
If we could just get the 'mainstream media' to recognize all this . . .
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Amazing level of ignorance. This is what the schools are producing.

NOW DEMOCRATS CALL OBAMA'S SHADOW GOVERNMENT 'THE DEVIL'

http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/now-democrats-call-obama-shadow-government-the-devil/

I hope this is true. Dems finally rising against the Leftists who hijacked their party? They have a ways to go if Ellison's got the most votes for minority leader. What fools.


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Re: Constitutional Convention - preamble 

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Dear Professor,
While I agree with you on most of the things you've
typed . . .

There is one thing that, more than anything else,
frightens me about calling a Constitutional Convention.

Given the democrat parties proclivity for voter fraud,
and their ability to perpetuate and shield it . . .

Knowing that said Constitutional Convention will require
elections to decide on the delegates . . .

I can just imagine what sort of scoundrels and
'progressive' charlatans 'they' could rig the voting
apparatus to get into the Convention.

Give the 'progressives' a free hand to rewrite the
Constitution and I hate to think of what sort of
stupidity they could come up with.

Sorry.
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Dear Friends: This one sentence best sums up the Constitutional Crisis that we face today.

I'm telling my government that you've forgotten your place.

From Beldin's post about the IRS:
http://spectator.org/who-will-hold-the-irs-accountable/ (excerpt)

But the memorable cri de coeur of Becky Gerritson from Alabama's Wetumpka Tea Party in 2013 - which foreshadowed the rise of Trumpian nationalism - got to the real issue, the left-wing tyranny that masquerades as "good government";;

In Wetumpka, we are patriotic Americans; we peacefully assemble; we petition our government; we exercise our right to free speech. We don't understand why the government tried to stop us. I'm not here as a serf or a vassal. I'm not begging my lord for mercy. I'm a born-free American woman, wife, mother, and citizen, and I'm telling my government that you've forgotten your place.

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The objections that have been voiced here are basically twofold:

1. That the Constitution is perfectly fine, and understandable, as it is - it just needs to be followed.

2. That a Constitutional Convention could do more harm than good.

Articles and resources, scant as my posting have been, have addressed both these arguments, from both sides.

In summary:
1. Yes - IT WAS PERFECTLY FINE. It is NOT being followed, and WILL NOT BE FOLLOWED. The Central Government is NOT BALANCED any longer - our 'triumvirate' version of Constitutionally balanced government has been destroyed - replaced by a five headed hydra of epoch powers. Executive, Legislative, Judicial ... bureaucracy and 'intelligence'.

The NSA and other US agencies intelligence agencies 'spying' on U.S.A. citizen's (without warrants), a single judge on the West Coast over-ruling both Congress and the Executive Branch, IRS, EPA, State Department, the 'Deep State' (highly embedded bureaucrats not answerable to any legal bodies forming an inside government that actually controls our country).

2. Run-away Convention - just not possible, currently, with the requirement that 38 states are needed for ratification. The power of the STATES, which is what the REPUBLIC protection provides, is still available, but may not be for much longer.

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Is it possible to Restore a CONSTITUTIONAL U.S.A. federal government through reforms ?

Your honest assessment; bottom line you realize this is not possible.

The hydra will not cut off its own heads - too much power has already been seized - and will never be voluntarily, or legislatively, restored - if that legislation originates within itself, and is only enforced within itself. This central government has already demonstrated that any and all reform measures are only temporary stopgaps that are easily discarded and ignored.

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THUS: STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO OUR GOVERNMENT MUST HAPPEN.

Most of the proposals for amendments to the Constitution, even coming from a Constitutional Convention, do little, if anything, to address the root problems of a power that has become unanswerable to anything except itself. They address symptoms, such as an unbalanced budget, and assume that if one addresses enough symptoms, then the disease will be cured.

That is folly.

There must be STRUCTURAL CHANGES, basic changes to bring about fundamental change.

That fundamental change must be a stripping of powers FROM the central government, and returning that power back to us, we the people from whom those powers originate.

Because, in the course of human events, it has become necessary.

Short of violent, armed revolution, we have only one CONSTITUTIONAL REMEDY that can accomplish this goal of restructuring.

You know what that remedy is; The Fifth Article of the Constitution, and the TENTH AMENDMENT to the Constitution, without which the Constitution would never have been accepted -

A JUST AND PROPER USE OF THE POWERS OF THESE STATES to be the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY on how a central, federal government functions.

That just and proper use of our authority resides solely in the power of a
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.

~end of preamble - Section One


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Just an FYI for you.

I am likely heading to Africa in the fall with Dr. Kossel to help a missionary good friend of mine since 1985 who ministers to the Zulu people there.

He needs some help and so my friend Dr. Kossel and I are planning a trip to help with the ministry. It is growing rapidly and we have been asked for help. So we are going.
The missionary is in the midst of translating the King James Bible into ZULU language and printing it for those people who have never had a copy of God's Word in their own language.

I will be teaching and preaching while there.
From there we go to Madagascar to help assist another missionary there for a week. I do not know this one but my friend does.
I am trusting God to help me raise the needed funds to get over there and back and to bless this time of ministry and spread the gospel to these people....

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