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Thank you for the very valuable information.

We have just one son, but I have information coming at me from many directions. My sister's daughter just graduated from NYU and is currently in law school. My brother's step-daughter is in her Freshman year at Columbia. I'm Facebook friends with many of my son's schoolmates, some of whom are already in college - so I'm finding their feedback from Virginia Tech, Cornell, George Mason, Radford, NYU, Christopher Newport and a number of other Eastern schools to be interesting. And, of course, I've received a lot of information from you.

We don't have our heart set on the Ivy Leagues, but we do want our son to go to a high quality school. After all, it's possible he WON'T pursue a Masters degree and this will be the extent of his higher education. I think that's unlikely, but it's possible. Unfortunately, Joey doesn't have a good career path in mind yet, so I can't very well steer him to the very best medical, engineering or architecture university. Nor do I think Cal Tech or M.I.T. would be a good fit. He thinks that he wants to study linguistics (which most colleges don't have a program for) so that's been helpful in refining the prospects. And I've given him what I think is an extremely powerful incentive to obtain a bachelor's degree in the sciences, engineering or math, so those programs are of interest to him too.

Beyond that, he doesn't really know what he wants. However, he doesn't want to go to school in the west (and I don't want him to either), so we've applied to the Ivys and six other North eastern schools (none south or west of Virginia). We will hopefully get some other offers. VCU's was very tempting and may be what we accept, but I'd rather see him at Williams, Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth or Cornell. The fact that he has a pretty good understanding of his race and gender and doesn't feel he has overcome any significant hardships - except that being a physically and mentally healthy, white, heterosexual, popular boy whose parents never divorced makes him something of a pariah in today's society. Sad
 




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Re: Free tuition doesn't mean free college, students point out
By: micro
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Tue, 07 Feb 17 6:49 PM
Msg. 20168 of 47202

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I hate to break this to you,
but living on campus as a requirement for freshmen is pretty much a requirement at the vast majority of colleges and universities. Trust me. I already put TWO through.

Tell you something else the HR person at a prestigious LARGE national law firm here in downtown cincinnati told me about these so called top tier colleges, especially Ivy League.

They would rather have someone from a different school because they have noticed a difference in the attitudes and work ethics if you went to a School like Virginia, Michigan, or other recognized excellent law department versus the likes of Harvard, or Yale...

Now that is ALMOST a direct quote and another reason why we turned down YALE and HARVARD BOTH for acceptance into their Law College and chose William and Mary instead. I know I have said this before but my daughter won the national law review competition over all the so called really great Law Colleges like the ones she turned down.

So you can get a GOOD quality education almost anywhere. NOBODY CARES where your under-graduate degree is from.

I preferred as did my daughter to have a much lower professor to student ration at a good, recognized university rather than being filled with the liberal agenda crap at the Ivy League.

Now, that is MY feeling, and not an endorsement or a slam on what you think is right for your child.

I deal in reality and jobs. I employed over 1,000 people in my lifetime and supported them and their families. My former company is still running and employing people I employed.

My daughter was hired by the Government Accountibility Office right after she graduated and passed the bar on the first time.

She did not attend an Ivy League school but she bested all those Ivy League geniuses.

By the way, there are lists about the TOP Colleges in various parts of the country.

BTW, for engineers, MIT or PURDUE are better choices than either HARVARD, Princeton or Yale. I would take Purdue or possibly Michigan. Georgia Tech is pretty good as well.

Just saying, don;t get hung up on "Ive League". A smaller excellent school with great ratings oftentimes is a better learning environment and less expensive I might add.

Anyway, just trying to pass on some reality from someone who has been there himself, and done that with TWO kids already a long time ago.

William and Mary's College of Law for out of State residents was over $80,000 per year and that did not include housing and that was about 15 years ago....

So yes, tell me about college expenses.....

I went to the UNiversity of Cincinnati COllege of Engineering PART TIME in evening like Ribit.
I went and got my MBA after that locally and I got my BRE from Cincinnati Bible COllege.

I worked full time, had a wife and two babies to support and after about ten years working for other companies, started my own.

Your success after college is not determined by the brand or name of the University you attended. It is determined by your INNER DRIVE to succeed and be the best at what you want to do and accomplish in life.

I hope you take this information constructively from one who is both older and has already been down this road multiple times already.

BOTH my daughters have Doctorate degrees. One is the head of advanced sciences in a High School that she attended as a student, and the other as you know is a pretty prominent Lawyer in Virginia. She currently serves as the ONLY legal advisor and corporate attorney for one of the nation's largest Medical services corporations located in Virginia Beach.

Just giving some additional things to consider in this long, and time consuming process you are going through with your son. It can be nerve wracking at times. Lots of things that go through your mind and sometimes it is good to listen to the experiences of others that have been through this already.

Best of luck and success to your son as he moves forward in life, and to his parents, who also will be going through changes. Ask GOD in pryaer on your knees by yourself, alone, sometimes to help show you what you should do. I would not leave HIM out of the picture.

Good luck to you my friend....

the best

micro...


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