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Professor,

excellent information regarding the transferring of metals from one type to another. NOT many people know that happens. I happen to be one that does. Excellent observation!!

You make a valid point about replacing an engine with a long block also. I did that in a vehicle about ten years ago for right at $2300.00 including shipping.

De does not sound like he is much interested in being a do it yourselfer on car repair as he is pressed for time and to be honest, likely does not feel comfortable being a car mechanic.

Between yourself and Cap'n there is liots of good info there. And YES SIR, a head gasket will definitely allow the coolant to actually leak into the oil pan.

Thanks,

micro...


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Re: The Joys of Auto Repair
By: monkeytrots
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Thu, 12 Jan 17 8:19 AM
Msg. 17881 of 47202

Water leaks can be difficult to trace - as you know.

DGP's first suggestion of replacing the hoses is first on the list. You had the rad replaced 2-3 years ago, and legit mechanics would replace the hoses (and clamps) at the same time, so 2-3 years would be a very short time for those hoses (should go 5-8 years at least.)

First order of business - just double check the clamps, and make sure they are tight. Better yet, pull off the hoses and make sure the inlet/outlet are free of corrosion and that the hoses are also clean on the inside.

Second, as you noted, 2-3 years on a rad is way too short. Is it copper or aluminum? Plastic upper and lower reservoirs (ie. at the top and bottom of the cooling tube assembly)? If aluminum - are there any portions of the aluminum assembly that make contact with steel screws/frame/steel-iron clamps etc. If so, that contact causes galvanic corrosion of the aluminum- and should be corrected. Zinc plated screws will sacrifice to aluminum - aluminum sacrifices to steel/copper - and copper reigns best - because steel sacrifices to copper. I lost three AL heater cores in a two year period to this problem, when the original core had lasted well over 10 years.
Bad replacement procedures by the radiator shop - didn't ever go back to them.

Plastic top and bottomm -there is an O-ring type seal, usually neoprene, around the entire inner perimeter that can sometimes leak - especially on a rebuilt rad (dirt usually, neoprene is pretty long lasting).

Next: Warped head - possibly. How did the mechanic diagnose a 'bad intake valve' ? Vacuum check is insufficient, and a compression test (best for det valve/ring conditions) would have probably revealed a warped head with low compression all around. Intake valves usually dont go bad due to overheating, but Exhaust valves do. How the mechanic narrowed it to an intake vs. exhaust is beyond me.

A cylinder head gasket blown between a cooling port and a cylinder would also result in exhaust gases in the cooling system (low compression, single cylinder) - plus white smoke (when bad enough)as Nemo pointed out. A cracked head can also leak coolant, and not show on a compression/vacuum test.

Diagnostics have change over the last 20 years, so there may be more sophisticated sensors/tests that I know nothing of - but the above basics still serve.

2 Grand for a coolant leak, even in worst case, definitely sounds way too high. Can remember when a vehicle could be long blocked for that much, twice over.

Good luck - doubt any of the above is very helpful - but gave it a whirl.


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