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Good Read - Thank you, sir. Article continues with newer versions of Mig-29 having airframe service life of 4,000 hours, instead of 2,500 - but still not as long lived as OUR schtuff. *s*

From Wikipedia(fwiw) on the TU-154 ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154

With a cruising speed of 975 kilometres per hour (606 mph), the Tu-154 is one of the fastest civilian aircraft in use and has a range of 5,280 kilometres (3,280 mi). Capable of operating from unpaved and gravel airfields with only basic facilities, it was widely used in the extreme Arctic conditions of Russia's northern/eastern regions where other airliners were unable to operate. Originally designed for a 45,000 hour service life (18,000 cycles) but capable of 80,000 hours with upgrades, it is expected to continue in service until 2016, although noise regulations have restricted flights to western Europe and other regions.

Investigation still ongoing - apparently is fairly shallow waters - 1 black box recovered - Flaps ... bird strike, pilot error (I still seriously doubt this one) ...

https://www.rt.com/news/371973-last-words-black-box/
http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-plane-crash-latest-update-tu-154-was-trying-turn-crashing-black-sea-2465916

Reason for my interest dates back- Dad was the chief investigator for 5th Air Force in Pacific when we were stationed in Japan and little bro flew the F-111 and then the F-15 in Gulf War, so some familiar territory. 'Pilor Error' was never the favourite cause of a crash - but occurred quite frequently - BUT there were several other 'interesting' causes. *w*

UPDATE: Video shows bright flash in the sky.
http://www.kurir.rs/planeta/video-ovo-je-trenutak-kada-je-avion-pao-u-more-od-ekspolozije-noc-se-pretvorila-u-dan-clanak-2606315

Wikipedia (has links to stuff) - plane had less than 7,000 hours on frame, pilot had over 3000 flight hours (ie. very experienced) ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Russian_Defence_Ministry_Tupolev_Tu-154_crash

Russian Newscast: (in Russian (i think):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75KmDaUui_U

Altitude at time of problem: 500 meters, distance from airfield: 6,000 meters, debris field 1,500 meters.

Eyewitness (other report, supposedly on 'speedboat' in proximity) - said plane hit tail first on water @ high speed, nose up attitude. How the hell could he SEE - it was a dark night out there ?

My conclusion: Almost certainly a missile strike - the flash, flaps (for nose up), huge debris field, passengers had life vests on, airplane fairly young, very experienced pilot - looks like pilots were executing a sharp turn, with flaps - missile avoidance attempt ????

http://www.pravdareport.com/news/hotspots/disasters/27-12-2016/136519-tu_154_crash_black_sea-0/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75KmDaUui_U




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Re: Breaking News - Christmas Terror
By: Zimbler0
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Wed, 28 Dec 16 5:08 AM
Msg. 17086 of 47202

Could be . . .

But, I was thinking about a site I visit regularly
which tells me the Russian planes were not as
long lived as the American ones . . . Don't know
if that holds true for their jet liners.

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Russia's MiG-29 Fulcrum: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

•More maneuverable than even the F-16, armed with missiles way ahead of its time, and able to operate from improvised airfields
•Also characterized by short life span and old-fashioned electronics and controls

http://russia-insider.com/en/russias-mig-29-fulcrum-good-bad-and-ugly/ri15751

(At the end . . . )

Finally, like most Soviet-era fighters, while the MiG was designed to withstand rugged handling, it wasn’t intended to have a long service life—just two thousand five hundred hours compared to the six thousand that is typical of U.S. fighters. MiG-29 airframes deteriorated rapidly later in life, and have required extensive and expensive maintenance to keep flying. Malaysia once reported it spent $5 million per year per MiG-29 to keep them flyable.

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Zim.


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