« POPE IV Home | Email msg. | Reply to msg. | Post new | Board info. Previous | Home | Next

The Surface of Last Scattering 

By: Decomposed in POPE IV | Recommend this post (1)
Tue, 29 Nov 16 11:46 PM | 62 view(s)
Boardmark this board | POPES NEW and Improved Real Board
Msg. 15488 of 47202
Jump:
Jump to board:
Jump to msg. #

The "article" below is an extremely interesting account of the early universe. I used quotes because it's not really an article but a post by someone who seems to be quite knowledgeable. But what do I know? It's not my field.

If I'm understanding it correctly, the author says that when the universe was very young and small, there was a time when background radiation was being emitted from a surface just 40 million light years away from where the Earth is today, and yet that radiation is only just now arriving. That's to say, although it was traveling at the speed of light, the radiation took 13 billion years to travel 40 million light years BECAUSE OF THE EXTREMELY RAPID RATE AT WHICH THE UNIVERSE WAS EXPANDING. Or still is.

I've often wondered about this and never saw the part I capitalized so clearly explained. If my mental math is right, it means that the light from the source (effectively at the universe's edge) only made headway against the universe's outward expansion at a rate of one light year per 325 years... or about 575 miles per second. It means that the universe's "edge" is receding from us at about 99.7% of the speed of light.

I find that extraordinary.

If the outer universe is expanding at an accelerating rate and 13 billion years ago was already receding from us at close to the speed of light, it is surely receding at very, very close to the speed of light today. This suggests to me that it is approaching an asymptotic limit at which point its light emissions will make no progress at all against the expansion. Once that happens, hasn't the universe effectively stopped expanding? I'd think that, as with the blue event horizon of a black hole, it would be a point, beyond which, there would be no purpose in conjecture since information about it would be utterly unobtainable.

Interesting stuff. 

Q: Why is the speed of light so small relative to the size of the universe?


A: Gerard Bassols, I know a little bit about fundamental physics

That’s a good question since so many people imagine that the speed of light is very fast, when it is extremely, extremely slow in an astronomical context. And the only answer is, because the (observable) universe is already quite old and has grown to an incomprehensible size.

It is generally believed that the speed of light must have remained constant through the universe’s history (although some non-mainstream theorists challenge that view) so when the universe was very young, say around 1 billion years old when proto-galaxies were just forming, it would not take too much time for light from one proto-galaxy to reach a neighbor one. Astronomical structures were much closer to each other, much more densely packed.

But by now space has stretched a lot and it takes light a lot of time to reach anywhere but the closest galaxies. The surface of last scattering (the CMB radiation source) was only around (edit) 40 million light years away from “the location where the Earth sits now” when that light was emitted (if we can use that expression, the Earth did not exist yet, neither any star nor galaxy, it’s only for representing the rate of the space expansion since then), and yet is has taken 13 billion years to reach us, because as the light was trying to come to here, our space location was receding from that source surface at an enormous rate, and only now after 13 billion years has that light been able to catch up with that space expansion and finally reach us. Perhaps it’s worth clarifying that the CMB has always been bathing “our current location in space”, but with a different frequency and slightly different emission times. The earlier the epoch, the higher the frequency of the CMB which was reaching “our space location”.

Another factor is that our human size and time scales are so short. Things happen very fast at our tiny scale, in a human lifetime we perceive a lot of events, change is very fast. For much bigger structures change happens much more slowly. Perhaps if there could be a sentient system the size of a galaxy, his perception of the rate of change would be much slower, perhaps it could live for billions of years and light would proportionally seem to travel much faster. Obviously this is just wild sci-fi speculation!

 


https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-speed-of-light-so-small-relative-to-the-size-of-the-universe/answer/Gerard-Bassols-1




Avatar

Gold is $1,581/oz today. When it hits $2,000, it will be up 26.5%. Let's see how long that takes. - De 3/11/2013 - ANSWER: 7 Years, 5 Months




» You can also:
« POPE IV Home | Email msg. | Reply to msg. | Post new | Board info. Previous | Home | Next