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I keep reading this phrase: "non-college-educated whites " being the reason Clinton lost.

Here is just a tiny thought.

IS it because those people did not get brain washed by the Liberals occupying the college classrooms who brainwash mush head students into being good COMRADES of the Left wing Socialist Guard???

Non College Educated whites?

Wow. I wonder what these morons think about the College educated whites that voted against The MARXIST/Socialist/Fascist party as well?

I am so sick of hearing about how poor little Johnny went off to college and then was turned into a freaking liberal.
No. Little Johnny had a choice and he was too weak minded to even be a college student. He cannot think for himself or question anything obviously,

I also am sick and tired of hearing that phrase as to why Trump won.

Non college educated WHITES ONLY.

Wow. If that isn't race baiting, someone pinch me, please.....

12 percent of LACKS voted for Trump as did over 22 percent of HISPANICS.

Were the majority of them non-college educated?
Likely.

I just wish all these Pundits would find something better to do than to speculate the NON-Provable assumptions as to WHY some regions went for Trump and some did not.

Can't we just say that People who are not fanatical Socialists had finally had enough after 8 years and did not want another continuation with a Clinton win?

The people spoke. In volumes.

Can we round up the illegal voters and either imprison them or deport them? SOmewhere over a million non-legal votes cast AND COUNTED for CLinton.

Did she really win the popular vote of the votes that were actually counted???? NOPE.

And she **** sure did not win the popular vote if ALL the votes are counted either....

And that ladies and gents is my soap box of the day.....

Happy Friday to you all!


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Clinton's Dishonesty Costs Her the Midwest -- and the Election
By: Decomposed
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Fri, 18 Nov 16 1:58 PM
Msg. 14763 of 47202

I expect that this election's outcome will be discussed for years . . . if not decades. Did Clinton lose because of her dishonesty? Her arrogance? Her unappealing look? Her horrible temper? Her frail condition? Her lack of conviction? Her lack of a message? Her criminal, self-serving behavior? Her decision to 'stand by her man' - who is a rapist? Her irritating voice and laugh? Her inability to relate to ordinary people? Her awful judgement? Her confused state? Her naps . . . even as our ambassador to Libya was pleading for help? Her lesbian trysts? Her scandalous history?

We can't say "yes, that's it" to any one of these. It took ALL of them. Clinton lost because of who she is - a rank amateur candidate and thoroughly awful human being.

I doubt we'll be hearing much from her in the future. It's clear that she's a sick woman, and I think she's in the latter stages of Parkinsons. If so, may her remaining days be few and painful. She's earned that. 

November 18, 2016

Clinton's Dishonesty Costs Her the Midwest -- and the Election

by Michael Barone
Townhall.com

Hillary Clinton lost the election in the Midwest. Donald Trump won 50 Midwestern electoral votes that went to Barack Obama in 2012 -- Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio -- plus 20 more in Pennsylvania, where the two-thirds of voters beyond metro Philadelphia are Midwestern in culture and concerns. Trump could have lost Florida and still won.

In the popular vote, Clinton came close to equaling Obama's 2012 percentages in the South and not-yet-fully-counted West, and her 4 percent drop in the Northeast cost her no electoral votes. But in the Midwest and Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential percentage dropped from 54 percent in 2008 and 51 percent in 2012 to 45 percent in 2016.

Those drops came mostly outside the Midwest's big cities, though black turnout sagged notably in Cleveland, Detroit and Milwaukee. University towns turned in their typical lopsided majorities -- e.g., 68-26 percent in metro Madison, Wisconsin.

But in Midwestern outstates -- counties outside metro areas with a million-plus people -- the shift away from Clinton looked like the shifts of white Southerners away from Democrats in decades past.

Iowa, the largest state with no metro area of a million-plus people, was typical: 54 percent Democratic in 2008, 52 percent in 2012 and 41 percent in 2016. The drop was similar in Wisconsin outside Milwaukee and Madison (54 to 50 to 41 percent), Michigan outside Detroit and Grand Rapids (55 to 52 to 41 percent), Ohio outside Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati (48 to 47 to 35 percent) and Pennsylvania outside Philadelphia and Pittsburgh (48 to 44 to 36 percent).

Similar outstate drops were not quite enough to carry Minnesota for Trump and were swamped in Illinois by metro Chicago. But they were enough to switch the Midwestern electoral vote from 80-38 Democratic in 2012 to 88-30 Republican this year.

These outstate areas aren't growing demographically, but they're not tiny, either. They cast 100 percent of the votes in Iowa, 61 percent in Wisconsin, 47 percent in Michigan and Pennsylvania, and 44 percent in Ohio.

What accounts for the abandonment of Clinton in areas hitherto reachable for Democrats?

The outstate Midwest is loaded with non-college-educated whites -- 62 percent in Iowa, for instance. Nationally, that demographic moved from favoring Mitt Romney by a 25 percent margin in 2012 to favoring Trump by a 39 percent margin this year. In the Midwestern outstates, the shift was even more vivid.

Such voters have been bypassed by sluggish Obama-era economic growth, and many believe that their jobs have been lost by trade agreements and that their wages have been undercut by low-skilled immigrants in other parts of the country. Trump emphasized these issues, and previous Republicans hadn't. That's part of it.

There's also the condescension of Clinton and her campaign, headquartered in trendy Brooklyn, New York. "Religious beliefs," candidate Clinton said in 2015, "have to be changed." She told a Manhattan audience that half of Trump's supporters were "irredeemable" -- "deplorables" characterized by "implicit racism."

Outstate people who voted for Obama -- or whose neighbors or friends at church did -- probably weren't attracted by such statements. Decent people don't like to be called racists and told that their religion needs to be changed (by the government?).

The Clinton campaign's strategy to win over folks beyond Brooklyn and Manhattan was to send West Wing actors into Ohio and hold a concert with Beyonce and Lady Gaga in Philadelphia. That's going to do it!

One other factor worked against Clinton in the outstate Midwest: honesty.

People in the outstate Midwest value honesty. They react against public officials who break laws, flout regulations and repeatedly lie and try to cover it up, as Clinton did with her secret email servers.

In the 1970s, the outstate Midwest broke against Republicans because of Watergate. Democratic victories in two House special elections in outstate Michigan in 1974 signaled voters' displeasure with Richard Nixon, and the Democrats swept in elections that fall.

Dozens of Democratic politicians began long, successful outstate careers in the Watergate years.

Liberal pundits Jonathan Alter and E.J. Dionne characterized the Clinton email lawbreaking and lies as non-scandals. Maybe they weren't scandals in Chicago and Massachusetts, where they grew up, but they were in the outstate Midwest.

Hints of Clinton's general election weakness came in Democratic primaries, when she lost outstates badly in Wisconsin and Michigan and ran barely even in Iowa, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Maybe outstaters were voting not for Bernie Sanders' socialism but against Clinton's "damn emails."

Team Clinton is now saying it was beaten by FBI Director James Comey's intervention. But Comey would not have been heard from if Clinton hadn't broken the law. That's a vote-loser in the outstate Midwest -- and an election-loser in America.

http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbarone/2016/11/18/clintons-dishonesty-costs-her-the-midwest--and-the-election-n2247273


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