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Re: The 97% of Climate Scientists who Agree That Manmade Global Warming is Real 

By: Zimbler0 in CONSTITUTION | Recommend this post (1)
Tue, 04 Mar 14 6:18 AM | 126 view(s)
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Msg. 20780 of 21975
(This msg. is a reply to 20779 by TomTamilio)

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I start by looking at the obvious.

According to the alarmists, (and al gore), the North
Pole should have been ice free by now. That did not
happen. Worse, some yachtsmen thought they were going
to sail through the fabled 'Northwest Passage' . . and
got froze in by ice. This year the north polar ice
is much larger in extent than in previous years.

The South Polar ice cap should also be shrinking.
Instead it is also getting larger. Some global
warming scientists went down there to measure the ice
loss . . . and got froze in by the ice.

This past winter has been pretty brutal here in the
United States. I know of a lady in new York who has
shoveled many tons of that 'man made global warming'.
(Also known as snow.) Here it is, March Second, and
it is snowing in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Last year
it was Europe, Russia, and China suffering unseasonably
cold winters.

Second.
If the global warming was for real, the temperature
records would be open and transparent. Instead, they
have been 'adjusted' and (East Anglia in particular)
records have been destroyed. NOAA changed the way
they measure the temperature, by dropping weather
stations which report cooler temperatures. And, there
are numerous scandals regarding temperatures and
manipulations there of. Scientists with dissenting
opinions have been squelched. (Google 'climategate'.)

Third.
What are the solutions being proposed?
Tens of Billions of dollars being 'loaned' to
companies to 'produce' global warming solutions except
that said companies went bankrupt. (Google solyndra.)

Was it Copenhagen where they held a 'climate change
summit' . . . which fell apart over how many Trillions
of dollars were supposed to be given to third world
kleptocrats? Not a solution.

In the meantime, China has built more and more coal
fired power plants - becoming the worlds largest
carbon emitter and India is moving up in the
standings.

In short, man made global warming is being used as a
scam to steal money form these people and give it to
those people. With no regard for actually solving
the problem. If it is a problem.

Actually, I suspect a warmer planet would mean a
longer growing season and greater food production.

Zim.




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The 97% of Climate Scientists who Agree That Manmade Global Warming is Real
By: TomTamilio
in CONSTITUTION
Tue, 04 Mar 14 2:03 AM
Msg. 20779 of 21975

David Meiser's Feb. 21 letter along with several others, including Frank Dubin's of Feb. 24, use a study published in the scientific journal Environmental Research Letters as the be-all and end-all that man-made global warming is "settled science."

The ERL study has seven categories of endorsement, with only the first category regarded as an irrefutable endorsement of anthropogenic global warming (AGW). This is the only category that comes close to Meiser's and the others' erroneous statement: "that 97 percent of the authors endorsed the position that humans are causing climate change."

If all 97 percent of Meiser's "12,000 peer-reviewed papers" had repeated in slightly varying terms the category-one conclusion that humans are causing global warming, then his statement would be fair. However, only 65 papers (all of the category-one letters) mention that human activity is a dominant cause of climate change. If my math is correct, that amounts to slightly more than one in every 200, or 0.5 percent No scientific survey with a sample size of 65 could honestly be regarded as "settled science"

The ERL report reached the Machiavellian 97 percent number by adding up categories one through three to get from the troublesome 65 to a more accommodating 3,932, even though papers in categories two and three neither quantify nor minimize that "human endeavors" are a dominant influence in global warming. Excluded, except to use them as part of the 12,000 final tally, were any of the 8,261 papers labeled category four (neutral, having no clear position on AGW). Lastly, the report added categories five through seven as dissenters. Presto! Magically, the report touted the figure of 97 percent of 12,000.

Historically and philosophically, Meiser's claim that "man-made global warming" is "settled science" is indefensible. The contention that any science is settled is nothing but an agenda-driven political slogan to pull the wool over our eyes about the nature of science. Science is not an infallible authority to be blindly obeyed by society. Nor is science about consensus; opinion is about consensus.

Climate change has been real throughout history. But are humans causing imminent, unprecedented global climate change disasters? And should we prevent them by drastically slashing living standards and imposing government control over industries and people's lives? If you look at actual evidence- instead of bogus computer model forecasts- the answer is clearly no.

President Eisenhower warned: "In holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy should itself become the captive of the scientific-technological elite."

Dave Wentzel

Warminster Township


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