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Re: Palestinians backing down?

By: lkorrow in CONSTITUTION | Recommend this post (0)
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I hope they are, but I don't know that I believe the Saudis and Egypt are against the statehood bid.

Leading up to this bid, Abbass was meeting frequently with the Arab League. Looks to me like this is the Saudi plan, period.

I find it hard to believe Europe wants to kill it, too, after rumors of the EU voting as a block against it, although I doubt that would come to pass since Germany's against it.

Hard to sort through all this because of the deception, proxy war aspects.

So, second sentence, the Saudis were unable to sway the US through blackmail, so they must back off their showdown or go through with it. That they are backing off would suggest the Saudis still need the US, that is perhaps, we're the only viable source of arms right now. Or maybe there's more to it, I don't know.

So, sounds like we're back to the General Assembly fiasco. With a SC bid, it seems like it would have been over with. Now, it's going to be an ongoing mess?

Now we know the whole goal of this fiasco -- concessions to bring the Plaestinians back to the table. This is probably what the Arabs were looking for all along. They certainly know how to play us.

f'em. Enough on the concessions, already. It is the Palestinians who should be giving concessions, not the other way around. this is so absurd.

Can't believe our country is letting the Saudis manipulate them like this, assuming that's what's happening.




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Re: Palestinians backing down?
By: DueDillinger
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Wed, 14 Sep 11 5:54 PM
Msg. 15075 of 21975

According to DEBKA, the Palestinians have blinked.

The tempest which Israel had tensely anticipated for September in the wake of a Palestinian bid for unilateral UN recognition of their state looks like fizzling out before it begins as a result of a massive US campaign to avert it, backed by Saudi Arabia, Europe and Egypt.

Early Wednesday, Sept. 14, Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas decided crucially not to submit his application to the UN Security Council. He also notified Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal and European Union foreign executive Catherine Ashton in Cairo that he was considering watering down his application to the UN General Assembly – possibly by dropping the "state within 1967 borders" provision from the text.

Abbas said he would make his final decision known in a public address from Ramallah Friday, Sept 16 before flying to New York to join world leaders at the UN General Assembly's 66th session which began Tuesday.

But first, he meets Middle East Quartet envoy Tony Blair in Amman for a conversation which debkafile's exclusive sources term critical, because Blair will hand him a document termed by senior Washington sources "an outline" of a new format designed to oil Palestinian wheels into unlocking the long-stalled Palestinian dialogue with Israel.

This outline has been endorsed by Washington, the EU and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. It is now subject to acceptance by Israel and the Palestinians. Moscow has not yet indicated whether it approves the document or wants changes.

By Wednesday morning, the Israeli government had not yet received a copy. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has no doubt that he will be called upon for concessions extreme enough to lure the Palestinian leader back to the table. Blair is expected to deliver the document to Netanyahu some time Thursday after Abbas has seen it. To tie up the ends, senior White House envoys, Dennis Ross and David Hale, are due back in Jerusalem and Ramallah Wednesday.

During his visit to Cairo, Mahmoud Abbas was sternly warned by Saud al Faisal, Ashton and Egyptian leaders of the grave consequences awaiting the Palestinians if he forced the US to exercise its veto against their statehood at the UN Security Council. US President Barack Obama Tuesday made it crystal clear that he "objects very strongly" to the Palestinian statehood motion as "counterproductive" and "a distraction from solving problems that can only be addressed through negotiations."

US sources report that the US President has refused to talk to Abbas for the past eight months owing to his refusal to join Israel for direct peace talks. He was advised by the Europeans, the Saudis and Egyptians this week that the US presidential boycott would almost certainly extend to fellow Palestinian leaders and US financial aid. The Palestinian Authority would thus be placed under American sanctions. However, if he withdrew his statehood bid from the Security Council and accepted the new position paper, Obama would consider restoring communications.

Tuesday, Sept. 13, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said: "The path to creating an independent Palestinian state lies through direct talks between Ramallah and Jerusalem – not New York," she said. Early Wednesday, the General Assembly President Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser of Qatar reported that the Palestinians had not yet submitted their request to the General Assembly. It would therefore not come up for debate before October.

debkafile's sources report that while Mahmoud Abbas appears to have been hassled into a partial climb-down from his original plan to bypass talks with Israel by gaining UN approval of Palestinian statehood, he may not have caved in completely. Neither is it clear whether Netanyahu will swallow the new blueprint Tony Blair is about to dish up.

http://www.debka.com/article/21299/

In real terms, the US is doing what it's always done--BUYING time and influence (ahem...international BRIBERY) with borrowed money. 

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