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Re: American policy taught muslims about violent jihad... 

By: monkeytrots in CONSTITUTION | Recommend this post (1)
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Msg. 13963 of 21975
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Due, you miss the point that my diatribe is directed against the TITLE TO THE PEICE - that it was 'AMERICAN POLICY' that taught them their violent ways.

And yet, here, in your very second paragraph - you very eloquently CONFIRM every blasted thing I was stating.

The TITLE is a bald faced lie.




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Re: American policy taught muslims about violent jihad...
By: DueDillinger
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Wed, 20 Jul 11 6:12 PM
Msg. 13945 of 21975

You missed the point, mon, blinded by your unwillingness to acknowledge our role in promoting violent jihad in Afghanistan. You can't deny the existence of the textbooks and US funding for the madrassas as it's well documented.

I never claimed that Islam is 'peaceful' and I didn't say that Muslim terrorism didn't exist before we armed and trained the Mujahadeen. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928. Muslim terrorists bombed in Israel from it's very birth in '48. Fatah/PLO-affiliated Sirhan Sirhan killed RFK in '68 because of his support for Israel--probably the first act of Islamic terror on the US mainland and the last significant Muslim terror event in the USA until the WTC in 2001. Munich in '72. Occasional US embassy bombings by Muslims...again the motivation was US support of Israel. Our embassy in Iran was seized in '79.

It was Carter who began arming and training Mujahadeen in Pakistan and Afghanistan in mid-1979:

In an interview with the French Le Nouvel Observateur in 1998, former National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski, said, "According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, Dec 24, 1979. But the reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the President in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention." This is stunning, since the U.S. vilified the Soviet Union for being a cold-hearted oppressive aggressor and Jimmy Carter scoffed at their "lies" when the Soviets claimed they were trying to fight against the secret involvement of foreign influences [read: the United States] in Afghanistan. When Brzezinski was asked if he regretted pulling off such a massive deception against the world, he replied, "Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, in substance: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire." Brzezinski caps off his amazing confession with a callous disregard for the consequences of aiding and abetting Islamic jihadists, "What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?" The interviewer, even in 1998 and being a member of the typically Islam-tolerant French media threw back, "Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated:Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today." Brzezinski angered at his interviewer's attempt to diminish his great accomplishment of thwarting Communism while also trying to hold him accountable for his actions, responded, "Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries."

Brzezinski's ignorance of Islam and his errant comparison of it to Christianity set the stage for an onslaught from Islamic terrorism that has encompassed the world with fear, enslaved billions with its oppression, killed 3 million people, and is on an ever-growing path of increasing devastation. The U.S. not only manufactured a more lethal enemy than it eliminated by miscategorizing that enemy, Brzezinski and the others in the American government put the country and the world in far more danger. What's interesting here too is the hypocrisy of it all. The holier-than-thou Jimmy Carter boycotted the 1980 Olympics in protest of the Soviet Union's incursion, and set into motion an international anti-Soviet propaganda machine vilifying them as oppressive aggressors and a threat to world peace, when he himself was the instigator.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1977.Islam

The argument here is why the US was targeted on September 11, 2001. RP sez it's because we had a military presence in the mideast, and this is verified by Bin Ladin's own words and deeds. The Marine barracks outrage that you cite is another example.

Here's another take...more in line with my own cynical thinking on the mideast.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_Pipeline_to_9-11.Islam

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