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Re: BTW: On Training the 'Iraqi Military' by US Forces ....

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Msg. 13960 of 21975
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No, no, don't be sorry, I'm glad we're having this conversation. Because my position was yours. Then recently I thought well, if they don't have security forces, how will there ever be anything resembling a democracy, including the start of institutions like rule of law and such that might evolve into something good.

We can't convert these people like we did Germany and Italy, but any inroads in human rights and rule of law, elections, free media and such seem like a step in the right direction. Even the Saudi king, who I am no fan of, is saying things like certain actions are socially unaceptable. Not that they won't keep trying for jihad, caliphate, etc., that is going full force.

I don't know, the theory is draw them into civilized company. But, ultimately, strengthening them, well it will be used against us, too. damned if you do, damned if you don't.

More thought required, but I do share your concern about a counter-insurgency strategy, that is, nation building going past institution building to economic development and such. Then, the idea is to make the democracy work, so that's why the strategy is as it is.

So, do we say Islam is islam and we're aiding the enemy or do we hope for the best, trying to draw them into the world community. The latter is likely as bad as adopting int'l law!




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Re: BTW: On Training the 'Iraqi Military' by US Forces ....
By: monkeytrots
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Thu, 21 Jul 11 9:44 AM
Msg. 13957 of 21975

Linda - I think that dealing with muslims - training them militarily in any way, shape, form or manner - is simply NUTS.

Don't care what the 'rationals' are - it NEVER works - and will always come back to bite us in the ass.

Let Iran go in, take over Iraq. They can have it.

The people in Iraq allowed sodamn insane to come to power and stay in power. The nutcases are just as bad now - but no-one has the 'central' power to take over where sodamn left off .... BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO TRAIN THE SONS OF BITCHES - I will guaran-damn-tee you that SOMEONE will be able to use that training for their own nefarious purposes - and he'll have a well trained military to do it with.

As I said - absolutely insane. As was Afghanistan involvement when the Russky's were 'going after em'.
We would have been MILES ahead if the Russky's had actually conquered those a-holes.

Sorry - calling it as I see it. The regimes that are left, the people - the RELIGION THEY PRACTICE to continues to be as repressive and EVIL as it has always been - no matter who is in charge.

We shouldn't be stepping in **it.


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