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By: monkeytrots in CONSTITUTION | Recommend this post (1)
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Msg. 13930 of 21975
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Due - there are several problems there - not of condensation, nor of a meme ....

Here is the 'spin' on Ron Paul's web site.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?515-Rebuttal-to-quot-Blame-America-First-quot-Accusations

I am not going to bother going after the so-called 'rebuttal' point by point.

I listened to Ron Paul make the speech. I did NOT read any further commentary, either before or after, except what you saw here on Constitution - no blogs, no media, nothing ... what you saw from me was my honest ANGER at what he had said - and I am STILL extremely angry.

No, this is not due to 'flag waving patriotism' - not due to 'jingoism' or 'misplaced patriotism' - this was due to the very ugly nature of what Ron Paul put out as a broadside against ALL Americans - and, quite frankly, I still find it totally unacceptable.

We do part company on Mr. Paul. He has a lot going for him in other areas - but when it comes to he, himself, pissing people off because he doesn't think through what he is saying, and who he is attacking - he can not, and will not be a viable candidate in this country. Yes - He will generate FERVENT supporters - but others, like myself and CTJ - will find ourselves totally unable to vote for the man.

My opinion, he is unelectable and will remain so.

This is NOT the video I am talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuX73Ixqtbg

The one I am talking about is his speech on the floor of the House - can't find it easily right now.

WE ARE NOT TO BLAME FOR 9-11 - WE DID NOT INVITE THE ATTACK. Absurd explanation (from above video) is absolutely correct.

This man does NOT understand what JIHAAD is - and that 'blowback' is almost ENTIRELY 'propaganda' - it doesn't matter WHAT WE DO - the muslims WILL establish their world wide caliphate.

NO - THEY DO NOT ATTACK US BECAUSE WE ARE OVER THERE.

Nothing has changed since Jefferson - ask Jefferson.

Sorry - Ron Paul just is flat assed WRONG on these issues.


Just as in Bush the First, the words 'They Attack Us because we are over there.' are Election Killers - DOA. Ron Paul laid ALL the blame for 9-11 on our shoulders. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT - that is what Ron Paul is stating - with no apology, and a TOTALLY unacceptable 'explanation'.

Unacceptable, Due. Just flat, and totally, unacceptable.


Oh, Bush the First - His 'election killer' ????

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"READ MY LIPS. NO NEW TAXES."

BTW: I told, via the grapevine, people in the admin of GWB the SECOND that not finding weaps of mass destruction WOULD bite them in the ass - big time. They thought that finding the 'mass graves' would far overshadow that - and this was before release to the general public. I told them - It will not make any difference. Unless you find those weapons, you are going to have HUGE problems. They didn't - and they did.

EndOfRavingLunaticFlagWavingZealotRant - QED or not .... lol

(but that's ok, Due - I will STILL respect ya in the morning.)




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Re: Energy independence...
By: DueDillinger
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Wed, 20 Jul 11 5:01 AM
Msg. 13927 of 21975

You've condensed his comments to 'blamed' which is a negative meme and it seems that you're letting a misplaced patriotic emotion rule your thinking. It's undeniable that our policies were a significant factor in the rationale for the 911 attacks. Indeed, Bin Laden stated this explicitly.

You and I both know that there was a neocon agenda to establish influence (if not control) in the mideast and we have been consistently lied to by a succession of administrations. Remember Iran-Contra? It's all a bankster's game and the President is not the king on the chessboard.

Ron Paul is the only (currently declared) candidate who is willing to take on the banksters and bring our nation back from the fascist brink. Calling his campaign a 'revolution' is not just a slogan.

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