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Re: speaking of saving gas 

By: monkeytrots in CONSTITUTION | Recommend this post (1)
Fri, 08 Jul 11 12:00 AM | 38 view(s)
Boardmark this board | Constitutional Corner 		Msg. 13729 of 21975
(This msg. is a reply to 13714 by micro)
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Micro, my 1976 Honda Accord (NOT the same vehicle you see today, this had showroom floor cost of $5,500) got 30 mpg in stop and go city/freeway driving in Houston.

On the road - it got 33mpg at 70mph. Consistently on both readings.

Taint it simply amazing how far the 'auto-industry' engine technology has advanced since that time in increasing the mpg ? (Firmly in cheek).

That engine was a 1600cc with carburetion and stratified charge. Met and exceeded the 'emission control' requirements of the time without an add-on smog pump, also.

The use of 'batteries' in a hybrid car - any GREENER ever caught driving a hybrid should be shipped out to China where all the 'US' batteries end up for recycling. Should be forced to live right downstream and downwind from those lead recycling plants. Freakin' nimbys - really piss me off with their two faced hypocrisy. Not a single LEAD RECYCLING PLANT continues to exist in the United States - yet, every single nimby, every single AUTOMOBILE, UPS, golf carts, motorized wheelchairs, and many other COMMON ITEMS continue to use and consume lead acid batteries. They really are the ONLY battery that is economical for such heavy industrial, commercial and consumer use. WE SHOULD BE RECYCLING, CLEANLY, IN THIS COUNTRY - not shoving the problem on to somebody else, making them have their 'mess' and ours also to clean up.

Thank you the loan of that soap box, micro. This issue is a particular peeve of mine.

Theoretically - one could REDUCE the number of moving parts in a hybrid to less than those in the current engine-tranny drivetrain - but probably not at a weight savings. Generating electricity and then using an electric motor - well, that adds quite a bit of weight for the types of HP required.

The above discussion ASSUME NO FREAKING 'battery system' with it's plethora of electronic controls (read, more maintenance, more expense), switches, relays, black boxes, etc.




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speaking of saving gas
By: micro in CONSTITUTION
Thu, 07 Jul 11 4:29 PM 		Msg. 13714 of 21975

Did you all know that a Hyundai Elantra, a compact car a tad smaller than his bigger brother the Sonata, is RATED at 40 MPG and it is NOT a hybrid vehicle?

I know some people who bought one and told me that the HIGHWAY mileage they get is 44 MPG on trips with the cruse control on.

WHY would ANYONE pay extra money for a hybrid, whose mileage is not much better and you will eventually have to pay to have the battery packs replaced at a lot of expense?

Guess what I am looking at as a secondary car for mrs. micro to drive around here and for us to take a road trip with?

Of course, the bigger brother Sonata only gets 36 MPG with its direct injected engine and 6 Spped automatic tranny. This is one sweet car in style and ride. I test drove it. The Elantra is a smooth ride also.

Now, when are the rest of the car makers going to start getting their Mileage up with Hyundai's without HYBRID crapola?

Hybrid means MORE MAINTENANCE costs in case anyone was wondering. The more parts there are there is more to go wrong.And again, the replacements aren't cheap.

Just thought I would throw this out for discussion if anyone was interested.

micro...

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