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Re: Is It Time for America to Break Apart?

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Tue, 30 Jul 19 11:51 PM | 45 view(s)
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Re: "Perhaps, one should ponder this question. I wonder if SLAVERY around these other far flung places opf theworld would have occurred had it not been forcefully stopped here in the UNited States? After all, we were a world power then and just about everyone globally knew the U.S. especially because we defeated England TWICE on our own soil.

I do not believe your theorem holds any proof or reason to believe the outcome stated.

Secondly, I would ask if your meaning for this might include "never mind about those enslaved people lives for the next 30 years. Whatever happens to them happens. Whoever's left after 30 years will be left."

Thatis what it sounds like you are inferring. It's OKAY for them to contiinue to be enslaved for nother thirty years or so.

That to me is a pretty big stretch with no substantiatiion other than some other third world countries finally ended it there but then again, NONE OF THEM had vast Southern Plantatiopns that needed LOTS of labor to tend the fields and crops...

So its okay to go ahead and just leave them in slavery for 30 more years???

You still have never responded that it's OKAY to sneak up behind ANYONE and shoot them in the head at point blank range because YOU do not like their politics....

You did state however that it was fine with you that Booth murdered Lincoln and was glad he did.

Have you re-considered that thought?"I'm not a fan of spin or false attributions, and you're excelling at both in this post. If you're going to say I said something, QUOTE ME. When you don't, as far as I'm concerned, you're employing a cheap debate tactic. I did *NOT* ever say, for instance, anything about being "glad" Booth assassinated Lincoln. Why make that up?

My opinion that Lincoln was an S.O.B. stands. I think he deserved to be assassinated as much as Adolph Hitler or Joe Stalin did. I also respect Booth for doing so. He was a man and he did what had to be done when a man has been wronged in the worst possible way. Does that mean that *I* would have killed Lincoln? No. But I'll tell you this: If Lincoln or anyone else did to my home, friends and family what Lincoln did to so many in the South, I *hope* I'd have shot him if I ever had the chance. I don't think I could look myself in the face if I had the opportunity and didn't take it.

Here's a thought experiment:

Let's suppose that a new U.S. President thinks that the country really needs Mexican oil fields. He sends in the military, kills half a million people or so and captures a chunk of Mexico including the desired land. Would you agree, if that's the full story, that the guy qualifies as a 1st rate scumbag?

Following this hypothetical slaughter, it's discovered that numerous Mexican drug cartels were eradicated to the very last man. In fact, the drug problem is GONE. VANISHED. NO MORE. U.S. propagandists immediately spin the war as having been all about the drugs. The President's face gets put on the penny. Schoolchildren everywhere have it drilled into them that "A hundred thousand American lives per year are being saved by what President... nay... by what SAINT Scumbag did!"

Does ANY of that turn our former scumbag into a wonderful person and great American? How about if a Mexican survivor manages to assassinate the guy at the war's conclusion? There's nothing like a good assassination to help a scumbag's legend grow. (e.g. Kennedy, MLK, Malcolm X, etc. Douchebags before they were killed; saints afterward.)

My thinking is that if a person is a scumbag doing awful things, he probably doesn't warrant reassessment just because something very good came out of his scummy behavior. A scumbag is a scumbag is a scumbag is a scumbag. Whether it's President scumbag starting an unlawful war to capture oil fields and then happens to end the country's drug problem too, or President Lincoln's starting an unlawful war to keep the Southern states under his thumb and then happens to end slavery too, my opinion of the man does not change.

But they don't talk about such things in elementary school history so I must be wrong.

Re: "As for the anaology about oxen, it hardly fits.
1. Oxen are not FREE.
2. They cost farmers food, grain, water, and anything else they eat or need.
3. You honestly believe that southern plantation owners would have freed those slaves whom they PAID FOR and got nothingin return?"I don't understand why you say the analogy doesn't fit.

1. Oxen are not FREE. Same for slaves. Analogy holds.
2. They cost farmers food, grain, water, and anything else they eat or need. Same for slaves. Analogy holds.
3. You honestly believe that southern plantation owners would have freed those slaves whom they PAID FOR and got nothingin return? Within 30 years time? Sure. That's exactly what happened in most of the world's slave-owning countries. Analogy holds.

Re: "Perhaps, one should ponder this question. I wonder if SLAVERY around these other far flung places opf theworld would have occurred had it not been forcefully stopped here in the UNited States? After all, we were a world power then and just about everyone globally knew the U.S. especially because we defeated England TWICE on our own soil."Fortunately, I pondered that a long time ago and posted about it here. You've forgotten. The trend to move beyond slavery picked up steam early in the 1800s and continued until around 1910 when there were hardly any slave-permitting countries left in the western world. See the chart below... beginning long before the civil war and continuing long after, just about every single year as the world abandoned slavery in droves. Only Lincoln militarily assaulted his own country as part of it.

Note that around 1875, the flight from slavery ceased to be an "every year" thing. That's because there weren't too many countries left that still had it and the issue began to wane.





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Re: Is It Time for America to Break Apart?
By: micro in POPE 5
Tue, 30 Jul 19 9:37 PM 		Msg. 36923 of 62138

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Earlier, micro asked why anyone would ever get rid of free labor if they weren't forced to. I'll respond with a question of my own: Do you see many farmers today who still plow their fields with oxen?  

The WAR was NOT begun nor started about Slavery. Thankfully it ended with the enslaved peoples freed.

As for the anaology about oxen, it hardly fits.
1. Oxen are not FREE.
2. They cost farmers food, grain, water, and anything else they eat or need.
3. You honestly believe that southern plantation owners would have freed those slaves whom they PAID FOR and got nothingin return?

Perhaps, one should ponder this question. I wonder if SLAVERY around these other far flung places opf theworld would have occurred had it not been forcefully stopped here in the UNited States? After all, we were a world power then and just about everyone globally knew the U.S. especially because we defeated England TWICE on our own soil.

I do not believe your theorem holds any proof or reason to believe the outcome stated.

Secondly, I would ask if your meaning for this might include "never mind about those enslaved people lives for the next 30 years. Whatever happens to them happens. Whoever's left after 30 years will be left."

Thatis what it sounds like you are inferring. It's OKAY for them to contiinue to be enslaved for nother thirty years or so.

That to me is a pretty big stretch with no substantiatiion other than some other third world countries finally ended it there but then again, NONE OF THEM had vast Southern Plantatiopns that needed LOTS of labor to tend the fields and crops...

So its okay to go ahead and just leave them in slavery for 30 more years???

You still have never responded that it's OKAY to sneak up behind ANYONE and shoot them in the head at point blank range because YOU do not like their politics....

You did state however that it was fine with you that Booth murdered Lincoln and was glad he did.

Have you re-considered that thought?

If not, then that makes your train of thought no better than the morons on the left would kill you in a heartbeat because you support Trump and cannot stand the looney leftists...

Just a couple of things to ponder.


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