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Re: Is It Time for America to Break Apart?

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Re: "De, sometimes when I type my fat fingers accidentally hit the caps lock key and I do not even see it. Sorry. Nothing intentional...."
LOL -it happens to you too, eh?

I sometimes post and save a message, then spend so much time fixing the mistakes and changing the text that it has 15 hits on it by the time I'm done. Oh well. It's a function of age, I think...

Regarding your statement that Lincoln tried to get the Southerners to not do this . . . I disagree. If he tried, he sure didn't try hard. Bull Run, which was an invasion of a Southern state by the Northern army, took place mere months after Lincoln was sworn in.

Re: "Lincoln COULD have BOUGHT OUT the slaveholders. WOULD THEY have been WILLING to sell???? You know that for a fact?"Of course not. How could I? What I do know for certain is that Lincoln didn't even try. But why would he? Slavery had nothing to do with the war. 'Freeing the slaves' was just revisionist propaganda to help a guilty North justify something reprehensible. I mean, really: Burning Atlanta? Unadulterated evil. I mean today, sure. But back then? Atlanta used to be a nice place!

You think Lincoln was a great President. I think he was our worst President. The truth is probably somewhere in between. After all, Lincoln inherited a very, VERY difficult situation. I'll admit that. But his handling of it was the worst. Preserving the Union at such a price was not worth it. And killing should be the last resort, not the first.

Re: "SO, if I disagree with someone strongly enough and think it will bring me some fame and everyone wil like me where I come from, it's okay in your opinion to murder them in cold blood, warm blood, any blood? Perhaps more than anything else political, this one statement you made is really disturbing to me."Actually, I said 'I'm in the "cannot stand Lincoln" camp. And, yes, I can respect what Booth did. Lincoln certainly had it coming.'

I stand by that - for the same reason that I would respect a Polish or Hungarian patriot who'd managed to pump a bullet into Stalin.

I just found a brief History channel video you might enjoy about the culprits behind and the motives for killing Abraham Lincoln. You said something about Booth wanting fame. I don't think that's it at all but would be very interested in hearing why you do. This documentary concludes that the motives will never be discerned.

http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/driving-force-behind-lincolns-assassination-video




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Re: Is It Time for America to Break Apart?
By: micro
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Tue, 30 Jul 19 5:08 PM
Msg. 36912 of 62138

I think he was one of the most Humble, God fearing, greatest men we had a President despite him not being perfect. He murdered NOBODY.
That's like saying because I fought in a war and killed enemy cpmbatants that I murdered someone, or the resident did.

That is a distinction. Lincoln did not murder.

He tried to get the southerners to not do this.

A house divided cannot stand. A country split intwain over such an heinous practice will not prosper either.

De, sometimes when I type my fat fingers accidentally hit the caps lock key and I do not even see it. Sorry. Nothing intentional....

Yes, we need to wrap it up.

I will ask you though about your "logic" on the ending of slavery just because other third world nations back then did so later. That is akin to saying monkey see monkey doo. It does not always work that way. Lincoln COULD have BOUGHT OUT the slaveholders. WOULD THEY have been WILLING to sell???? You know that for a fact?

I tend to think not. I am delighted slavery was ended. I am saddened that he was assassinated by a spineless egotistical moron who only wanted fame from the southern people for murdering a man with his back turned. Such a brave boy he was.

SO, if I disagree with someone strongly enough and think it will bring me some fame and everyone wil like me where I come from, it's okay in your opinion to murder them in cold blood, warm blood, any blood?

Perhaps more than anything else political, this one statement you made is really disturbing to me.

I really don;t care whether you or anyone else likes or disliked Abraham Lincoln. They are entitled to their opinion.

But since you are glad Booth murdered him especially after the war was basically over and nothing was going to change from that point anyway, all BOOTH did was piss off the sucessors to Lincoln for the decades after the war.

The Gettysburg Address is a remarkable insight into Lincoln. It reveals his true feelings and very soul. Enlightening.

I do hope that you may have been a bit hasty in wishing the and rejoicing over the murder of not only Lincoln, but anyone that you may have differences with.

Have you ever killed anyone?

I have. Many. It was in combat. War time. KNow what? It's not a good feeling either. A lot different than cold blooded murder.

That is what bothers me. Could really care less about the rest.

It's all perspective. Murder is ALWAYS SIN. Does not matter whether we attempt to justify it. GOD said it. That settles it.

Thank you kindly for the discussion. Just shows that we are not going to see everything the same. That is what akes the world go around...... Very Happy Thumbs Up


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