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Re: Is It Time for America to Break Apart? 

By: Decomposed in POPE 5 | Recommend this post (1)
Tue, 30 Jul 19 6:32 PM | 51 view(s)
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Re: "BUT, but, but, ... we would be so much better today if we still had slaves."It wasn't about slavery. Revisionists have made most people believe that, but it's not true.

It's the easiest thing in the world for the winner of a war to find something good that came out of the war and use that as propaganda with which to sanctify a HORRIBLE action. Happens all the time. If you travel to France, I don't think you'll find much information about the barbaric penalties forced on Germany by France after World War I. Most people aren't interested in the truth if it means they won't like what they find out about themselves. Most people only want to hear the good things.

I'll tell you this: Had Lincoln been on the cusp of a Civil War victory in early 1863, he never would have issued the Emancipation Proclamation. NEVER. The slaves would not have been freed. We'd still have had about 350,000 dead Americans and half the nation would have been burned to the ground, but slavery would have remained.

Does the fact that the South put up an incredibly good fight and forced Lincoln's hand turn him into a good man? Absolutely not. The man's character did not change. He was a tyrant.

Why was the war fought? Here's why: The South was agrarian. The North was industrial. For years, the North - which had a much larger population than the South - had been pushing through policies that benefited itself but made life in rural parts of the country increasingly difficult. The South got the worst of it, and it eventually became fed up and wanted out. Both slaveholders and the vast majority who were not slaveholders went along with the decision. Lincoln then said, in violation of the 10th Amendment, "No. You can't do that."

And THAT is why the civil war was fought.

The Constitution recognized and permitted slavery. Lincoln didn't attempt to change the Constitution before going to war against his own people. Lincoln didn't even ban slavery in the North!! Not until he had to free slaves to give the North a military advantage. Even then, it was a military edict without legal standing in the Northern states. And that makes sense since, for Lincoln, slaves were not the problem. Personally, he may have been moral. As a leader, he was unprincipled.

Amendment X:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Show me anything in the Constitution that says the power of secession is prohibited to the states. There's no such wording.




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Re: Is It Time for America to Break Apart?
By: DGpeddler in POPE 5
Tue, 30 Jul 19 6:16 PM 		Msg. 36916 of 62138


BUT, but, but, ... we would be so much better today if we still had slaves. Shocked


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