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Re: Is It Time for America to Break Apart? 

By: Decomposed in POPE 5 | Recommend this post (1)
Tue, 30 Jul 19 4:16 AM | 52 view(s)
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Re: "In the end, he saved the country... "In the end, it wasn't the same country it was under the Founders. Lincoln destroyed that country.

He also ravaged half of it and killed 2 percent of his fellow citizens. Why? To prove that he could violate the Constitution (since secession is not prohibited and the 10th Amendment makes it clear that it is therefore within the rights of states.)

Yes, I know what the U.S. Supreme Court ruled *after* the war. But what else was it going to rule?

Slavery in the United States would have ended on its own within 30 years. It was rapidly ending everywhere and was virtually gone from the civilized world by 1900. The South would have followed suit. To preserve it would have made the South a pariah, and it needed to trade with the rest of the western world. In fact, Washington's tariffs were devastating the South's ability to do that and were the single biggest reason for secession.

The Civil war was many things but it definitely wasn't a noble attempt on the part of Lincoln to end slavery. In August 1862, midway through the war, he wrote:

If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

And if he had fought the war to abolish slavery, he'd have been an even bigger douche since the Constitution *CLEARLY* permitted slavery (see the fugitive slave clause and the three fifths clause). The Constitutional way to eliminate slavery was via amendment. If Lincoln was eliminating slavery because that's what he personally wanted, then he would have been promoting himself to King. I trust you'll agree that it's not good for a President to do that.

But, as I said, that wasn't the war's purpose. In fact, emancipating the southern slaves (but not the northern ones) was done to further undermine the South.

Lincoln's goal was to keep the Union intact and prove that central government reigned supreme over state government - which, up until then, it did not. To do that, he spat on the Constitution he was sworn to uphold. It didn't take courage to do that. Most likely, Lincoln invaded Virginia because he badly misjudged the South and thought that it would be an easy win that would ultimately make him more powerful.




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Re: Is It Time for America to Break Apart?
By: micro in POPE 5
Tue, 30 Jul 19 2:57 AM 		Msg. 36865 of 62138

well De,
this is where we are going to have a different point of view. NOBODY has a right or is justified for assassinating a President or anyone else just because you thought you were going to be a hero to the Southern people. And that was Booth's motive. He was shocked when he discovered that the people did not share his views and and make a statue of him....

Was Lincoln a perfect man? No.

DID ANY President or Congress before him actually DO anything about the SLAVERY that was meaningful and bring an end to ssomething even the founding father's admitted should end but yet did nothing?

Lincoln had the courage to face this division of northern and southern states to unite the nation.

Just because people don;t agree with what you may do or say does not give them the right to kill.

I don't say you have to like Lincoln, but I will say he was the only of the first 16 prsidents that had the BALLS to end this national disgrace in a so called FREE land.

Every single one before HIM kicked the can down the road.

So what do you think about the procrastinators who say one thing and do another?

Everysingle one of them did some things that were good for the growth and survival of a fledgling nation and yet only one ended slavery. And he paid for that with his own life by a murdered named John Wilkes Booth, a deranged actor looking for thanks from the Southern people.

Every book I have read has said this same thing studying Booth. Each has pointed out Lincoln's character and sometimes forcefulness.

In the end, he saved the country...


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