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I will try to address a few concerns yet I am not a spokesperson for the Fair Tax – I am simply adding to the conversations here. This is a long post and most of this information is on the links already posted. The IRS is an abusive politicized boondoggle of an agency. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is by definition insanity. A couple of corrections and clarifications. Regarding the comment about Warren Buffet’s secretary paying more taxes. I should have said the secretary has a higher effective tax rate and that is because, as has been posted, Buffet has LT capital gains not ordinary income. Also I stated abolishing the IRS = 16,000 people. I was wrong as that number is actually 74,454 and the budget savings would be around 12 billion. There are trillions more reasons to get rid of the IRS as outlined below. I failed to mention that one big benefit of the Fair Tax plan is it pretty much eliminates cheating on taxes and tax evasion as it is a consumption tax that you pay ONE time upon new purchases. This addresses this comment: “What would stop large numbers of Americans from doing most of their purchasing under the table, buying things at yard sales and so on, in order to avoid this huge sales tax?” The tax is on NEW purchases only. Decomposed you asked “I'm also curious as to how the Federal Government would implement it.” The Federal Government would not implement this – the system is already pretty much in place. Sales taxes would be collected by retailers on a local level as they do now in 45 states and they would be compensated 25 basis points for their collection efforts. Details here: http://fairtax-structure-psyclone.netdna-ssl.com/client_assets/fairtaxorg/media/attachments/56c4/aedf/6970/2d1c/f609/0000/56c4aedf69702d1cf6090000.pdf?1455730399 You also stated: “My guess is that HR 25 would result in the average household paying 28% or so of their income... er... of their SPENDING. The Motley Fool article I posted earlier today said that the average household is now paying 14% of their income. How do you resolve this and still conclude that the FAIR TAX is an improvement? (I have a suspicion what the answer might be, but I'd like to give you a shot at it before I speculate.)” You have commingled two separate and vastly different concepts, one being an effective tax rate and the subject at hand, replacing the ___% income taxation with a National sales tax of 23%. You “guess” that an average household would pay 28% of their income vs. 14% now. BOTH of those are moot points as there is NO INCOME taxation. ZERO. The Fair Tax is ONLY a tax on new purchases and it is not a guess. It IS 23%. In an earlier post I posted a list of a multitude of improvements so there is nothing to speculate about how I might answer that either. I do appreciate the opportunity to add to that list. So far I have added 12 billion additional reasons to end the IRS. Perhaps the missing link is the embedded hidden taxes in all goods and services estimated to be 12% - as high as 20%. BEFORE the tax law that Trump passed the minimum tax bracket was 15% plus the 7.65% SS & Medicaid/Medicare taxes. That is 22.65% - pretty close to the 23% proposal. And do not forget the prebate that ALL Americans receive. Because the 23-percent FairTax rate of $0.23 on every dollar spent is not imposed on necessities, an individual spending $30,000 pays an effective tax rate of only 15.5 percent, not 23 percent. That same individual will pay 17.3 percent of his or her income to federal taxes under current law. Personally, I HATE having to comply with filing taxes on 4/15 every year and I doubt anyone here enjoys that either. Another statement was “What would stop large numbers of Americans from doing most of their purchasing under the table, buying things at yard sales and so on, in order to avoid this huge sales tax?” Again this is a tax on NEW sales only so shop away as there is nothing under the table. Measures are in place so that people cannot claim to be a business to buy items tax free.
Another reason to implement the Fair Tax is the TAX GAP – aka unpaid and evaded taxes. This is a link to the estimated Tax Gap for the individual income tax for the period 2017 through 2026 lies within a range of between $3.8 trillion and $6.8 trillion: estimated Tax Gap for the individual income tax for the period 2017 through 2026 lies within a range of between $3.8 trillion and $6.8 trillion.
Real GDP would be 8% higher in the first year than under the income tax system, 11% higher in Year 5 and 11% percent higher in Year 10. Job growth would be 12% higher in Year 1, 10% higher in Year 5 and 8% higher in Year 10. Apply these results to the current level of employment, 133 million, means in just one year, the Fair Tax would have created 13.3 million more jobs than if the current income tax system remained in place. The most recent credible study shows that U.S. taxpayers waste an astounding $431.1 billion annually on tax compliance. If this figure is near correct, it means that we pay about 30 percent of total income taxes collected, just to … well … pay those taxes.3 Of the $431.1 billion, 88% is the time value costs borne by taxpayers: $161.7 billion by businesses and $216.2 billion by individuals. We spend much more money complying with the tax system than we do building every automobile and airplane built in the country.
The Fair Tax has a pronounced positive impact on the after-tax real wages of the American people. Real wages increase because:
Another comment by Zimbler was “bait and switch” and keeping both income streams. Good to see I am NOT alone in my mistrust for Big Government!! From the Fair Tax site: “Could we end up with both the Fair Tax and an income tax?”
Zimbler also said: “Let me see . . in my income bracket looks my long term capital gains tax rate is 15% . . . and your new tax scam is going to tax me at 23% . . . Gee thanks.” You MUST LOVE sending money to the IRS!! I will say this again. Your long term capital gains are taxed at ZERO. ZERO! You pay tax when YOU decide to buy something NEW. You also said “>> It is a PROGRESSIVE TAX. >> More info is here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax I cannot imagine anyone actually liking the current 72,000+ page tax code vs. the Fair Tax and the less than 150 page plan. America did well for 123 years without the IRS and I think it is time to get rid of the IRS.
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