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Re: "Gentlemen - with ALL due respect I do not think either of you have put forth the required effort to fully understand HOW the FAIR TAX plan would work."
Naturally. You have undoubtedly known about HR 25 for some time; I only just heard about it today. I suspect the same is true for micro.

As I said in my earlier response, I am not averse to the idea of a national sales tax to replace the current income tax. It was the 23% that gave me pause, especially when I found that the average taxpayer today pays far less than this COMBINED to the Federal and state governments. The 23% proposed as part of HR 25 is only to fund the Federal government. States would still charge whatever they charge today.

My guess is that HR 25 would result in the average household paying 28% or so of their income... er... of their SPENDING. The Motley Fool article I posted earlier today said that the average household is now paying 14% of their income.

How do you resolve this and still conclude that the FAIR TAX is an improvement? (I have a suspicion what the answer might be, but I'd like to give you a shot at it before I speculate.)

I'm also curious as to how the federal government would implement it. What would stop large numbers of Americans from doing most of their purchasing under the table, buying things at yard sales and so on, in order to avoid this huge sales tax? I'm afraid that HR 25 might be passed integrated with a new digital currency that allows the federal government to track all transactions. That would be Orwellian. I would be horrified. Without doing something like that, I think it would be impossible to stop people from evading the tax by avoiding retailers.




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Re: Letter to the editor: Re: MICRO & DE
By: hydro_gen
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Mon, 10 Jun 19 11:09 PM
Msg. 33748 of 62138

Gentlemen - with ALL due respect I do not think either of you have put forth the required effort to fully understand HOW the FAIR TAX plan would work. You have put forth just enough effort to confirm your confirmation bias.

HR 25 was first propositioned in 1999. Aristotle reportedly said "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." With that being said here is a short list of benefits with the Fair Tax plan:

NO INCOME TAXES.
NO PAYROLL TAXES.
NO INHERITANCE OR GIFT TAXES.
NO CAPITAL GAINS TAXES.
NO SELF EMPLOYMENT TAXES.
It is a PROGRESSIVE TAX.
BUSINESS PURCHASES ARE NOT TAXABLE.
ELIMINATES the IRS abuse and 16,000 employees!!
NEVER FILE AN INDIVIDUAL TAX RETURN AGAIN.
INCREASES the TAX BASE from 155 million people to 250 million people.
Average family has $8,494 more in take home pay.
Effective tax rates lowered as much as 67%.
Taxes all consumption of goods and services in the United States once, without exception, but only once.
To prevent double, multiple, or cascading taxation. SO DECOMPOSED there is no cascading taxation and it is NOT a VAT. You pay tax on consumption ONE time based on what YOU decide to spend.

To simplify the tax law and reduce the administration costs of, and the costs of compliance with the current tax laws that exceed 70,000 pages and COST America 265 Billion in annual compliance costs or $900 per family.

Consider the elimination of the 15.3% payroll taxes and the fact that incomes have been flat since 1971.

Lowers the effective tax rates and is revenue neutral.

Consider the reduction of COGS and all of the taxes that are embedded in COGS - with the Fair Tax those layered taxes are GONE!

The Fair Tax brings jobs back to America by allowing companies to operate on our soil tax free rather than paying the current corporate income tax of 35 percent. Under the Fair Tax, various economists have predicted higher economic growth ranging from 7 to 14 percent over the current system, more jobs, and higher wages. And NO corporation actually pay taxes - WE DO!!! Under the FairTax Plan, money retained in the business and reinvested to create jobs, build factories, or develop new technologies, pays no tax. This is the most honest, fair, productive tax system possible. Free market competition will do the rest.

In the Federalists Papers by Alexander Hamilton #21 (all of them actually) is a good read: http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa21.htm

I would rather have the Flat Tax than the current system.

PEACE

Hydro_gen



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