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My opinion is that we lose our freedoms, those granted under the Constitution, by POLITICIANS.

Not from other nations. It's ALWAYS political operatives, whether elected or un-elected bureaucrats who feel free to give away things they never earned or had a right to do so..

Just my opinion.

I see Starlight's point. Take the war of 1812 for example, or either of the world wars. Had we not been prepared militarily we would likely been speaking fluent German or The King's English.

Of course, we cannot prove beyond shadow of doubt so it is ALL conjecture at this time.

DO not be deceived though. The OATHS of military personnel and politicos includes enemies both FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC (within)...

In our case today, we have an ABUNDANCE within...

In our military we had a way of dealing with traitors that was quick, and didn't cost much. Granted, this goes back a little bit in time, but it was effective.

I would be in favor of bringing that back and then clean out the SWAMP of creatures who are not at all interesting of putting America and it's citizens first.


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Re: Question for you single folks....
By: Decomposed
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Sat, 11 Nov 17 7:59 PM
Msg. 38374 of 47202

starlight: 

re: "But one thing's for sure, if we don't show our strength and we operate from a position of weakness, the country will be lost and our liberty and freedoms along with it."

Are you really sure, or are you just repeating what we have all been told countless times over the decades? I'm not sure that what you've written is true at all. After all, other countries don't spend anything close to what we do on their national "defense" (and I put that in quotes because we never actually DEFEND with it).

The last time I looked, the United States' defense spending was 80% of what the entire rest of the world spends. For a country that hasn't been invaded (militarily) in 200 years or been attacked, barring only 9/11, in 75 years, that seems just a tad excessive. Nobody else has the need to routinely "show their strength" like that. Why is it "for sure" that we have to?

I posit that we accept this as normal out of HABIT. We have nuclear weapons. NOBODY is going to actually threaten our country.

Nobody external, that is. Internally? Yes, I think so. We run a real risk of rotting from the core outward. I don't expect anyone here to disagree with that. You know - I doubt that even the Pfffarters would disagree.

As for "the country will be lost and our liberty and freedoms along with it," it has already happened. The United States isn't even close to being the 'Home of the free' anymore.

Below, I've posted a 2014 ranking of countries by freedom (I know it's hard to read. I obtained it here: http://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/freedom-world-2017?gclid=CjwKCAiA3JrQBRBtEiwAN7cEGuEX7Rw2fR6rC4HUk7h0MKLK2GqFoqgEZDrlkeA4lM12004RcFF8uRoCvcEQAvD_BwE . Do you know who's #1? Finland. Followed by Norway, Sweden and Canada. Well, the U.S. must be close to Canada, right? Wrong. Canada is #4 while the United States, bastion of all that is good and just in the world, is 28th. Behind England. Behind France. Behind SPAIN, for cryin' out loud.

Now, these countries - which I would argue are all better than the United States where "liberties and freedoms" are concerned - all have their problems. But NONE of them spends anywhere near as much time and money proving to the rest of the world how big and bad they are. Only the United States, the 28th freest country on Earth, thinks that that's the secret to the good life.

Oh, and by the way, even though killing people has made Americans far and away the most arrogant people on earth, we aren't going to be able to continue behaving this way for much longer. We don't have the money for it. That's the cold reality. 


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