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So when an alt-right piece of human debris drove a car at 40 mph into a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia,
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Linda,
I agree that the antifa (fascists) need to be denounced
just as loudly (if not more loudly as they are generating
more violence than the KKK at the moment). But,
I also believe that what happened in Charlottesville
was not 'a piece of human debris'.

Useful idiots out in mass? Absolutely. That girl
who got killed would certainly qualify.

Several things that need to be pointed out.

1.) If the 'counter protestors' had stayed home there
would have been no violence and nobody would have been
killed.

2.) If the police had done the sensible thing - Rounded
up maybe two cops per 'KKK demonstrator' and had them decked
out in full riot gear with orders to keep the counter
protestors away from the 'KKK demonstrators' They (the cops)
might have been able to keep anybody from getting killed.

3.) If that girl had remained on the sidewalk, instead
of out in the street with a lynch mob, she would probably
be alive today.

4.) The 'counter protestors' did not have a permit to
demonstrate. They most assuredly should not have been
blocking traffic. Had they not been blocking traffic
and acting the fool I'm pretty sure nobody would have
gotten run over.

Lastly. That guy who ran into all those peoples. Muslim
extremists are known for driving vehicles into crowds.
If he was a muslim extremist I could believe he did it
deliberately. But he wasn't. Whatever you want to call
them, the group that guy was a part of is not known for
driving cars into crowds.

One video I've seen shows a guy beating on the car
that plowed into the crowd. I'm fairly certain that
the 'counterprotestors' (maybe one of them recognized
the guy as being at the rally) formed an angry mob in
the street, blocking traffic. At least one of them
started beating the car. I put myself in his place.
Angry mob surrounding my car. Somebody beating on the car,
my first thought 'next one through my window then the
mob drags me out and beats me to death'. I would have
stomped on the gas too.

Zim.




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By: lkorrow
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Wed, 16 Aug 17 1:19 PM
Msg. 31346 of 47202

The Group That Got Ignored in Charlottesville

Ben Shapiro
Aug 16, 2017 12:01 AM

http://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2017/08/16/the-group-that-got-ignored-in-charlottesville-n2368998

The "alt-right" is evil. White supremacism is evil. Neo-Nazism is evil.

I've been saying these things my entire career; I've spent more than a year slamming various factions on the right that refuse to disassociate from and condemn popularizers of the racist alt-right. The media, too, have spent inordinate time covering the rise of the alt-right and tacit acquiescence to it from White House chief strategist Steve Bannon and President Trump. So when an alt-right piece of human debris drove a car at 40 mph into a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, last Saturday, injuring 19 people and killing a 32-year-old woman, the level of scrutiny on the alt-right forced Trump to condemn various alt-right groups by name.
Good.

But the media have remained largely silent about another group: Antifa. Antifa is a loosely connected band of anti-capitalist protesters generally on the far left who dub themselves "anti-fascist" after their compatriots in Europe. They've been around in the United States since the 1990s, protesting globalization and burning trash cans at World Trade Organization meetings. But they've kicked into high gear over the past two years: They engaged in vandalism in violence, forcing the cancelation of a speech by alt-right popularizer Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of California, Berkeley; a few months later, they attacked alt-right demonstrators in Berkeley; they attacked alt-right demonstrators in Sacramento, California, leading to a bloody street fight; they threw projectiles at police during President Trump's inauguration; they attacked pro-Trump free-speech demonstrators in Seattle last weekend.

They always label their opponents "fascists" in order to justify their violence.

In Charlottesville, Antifa engaged in street violence with the alt-right racists. As in Weimar, Germany, fascists flying the swastika engaged in hand-to-hand combat with Antifa members flying the communist red. And yet, the media declared that any negative coverage granted to Antifa would detract from the obvious evils of the alt-right. Sheryl Gay Stolberg of The New York Times tweeted in the midst of the violence, "The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park." After receiving blowback from the left, Stolberg then corrected herself. She said: "Rethinking this. Should have said violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate."

Or perhaps Antifa is a hateful group itself. But that wouldn't fit the convenient narrative Antifa promotes and the media buy: that the sole threat to the republic comes from the racist right. Perhaps that's why the media ignored the events in Sacramento and Berkeley and Seattle -- to point out the evils of Antifa might detract from the evils of the alt-right.

That sort of biased coverage only engenders more militancy from the alt-right, which feels it must demonstrate openly and repeatedly to "stand up to Antifa." Which, of course, prompts Antifa to violence.

Here's the moral solution, as always: Condemn violence and evil wherever it occurs. The racist philosophy of the alt-right is evil. The violence of the alt-right is evil. The communist philosophy of Antifa is evil. So is the violence of Antifa. If we are to survive as a republic, we must call out Nazis but not punch them; we must stop providing cover to anarchists and communists who seek to hide behind self-proclaimed righteousness to participate in violence. Otherwise, we won't be an honest or a free society.



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