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By: monkeytrots in POPE IV | Recommend this post (4)
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In the FWIW department ... The following article. They make a big deal about an F-35 v. F-16 (mentioned in earlier post) attack where the F-16 won ... but article ails to mention experienced F-16 pilot vs. inexperienced F-35 pilot. I'm not a big fan of the F-35 - really don't care one way or t'other - except for exorbitant costs, and take my cue for 'what really works' from actual pilots in the family - which is often different from the 'accepted' line. Yes, there were 'dogfights' over NORTH VIETNAM - little, if any, in SOUTH Vietnam - so save ya'll the trubble of 'keerectin' me on that issue. Korea, however, WAS the Waterloo of re-evaluation of TRAINING making a huge difference.

Anyhooz - here's an article from an obvious supporter of the 'need for dogfight' capability. It is rare- but it does happen. However, as the Armed Forces in Korea discovered, it ain't the plane that matters near as much as the training.

Air to Ground capabiity (imo) is far more important today than dogfighting. That, and missile avoidance- whether air launched or ground launched.

http://warisboring.com/the-u-s-air-force-promised-the-f-4-would-never-dogfight/

BTW: My dad trained on the F-4E at Luke AFB - prior to going to Vietnam. Used to have one of the 20mm casings from the guns on that plane. Strafing practice was pretty hairy - one could easily shoot oneself down from ricochets. He flew the O-1 there as a FAC (forward Air Controller) - supporting our US Army (and Marine) troops on the ground. My opinion, flying a low-altitude prop plane in combat takes far bigger ones than those required for 'fighter/bomber' jets. *s*




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Re: More details of Syria shootdown
By: monkeytrots
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Sun, 02 Jul 17 12:58 AM
Msg. 28230 of 47202

Thanks, Zim. Had caught the shoot-down on Fox when it first came out - but not the update from 'where no one has gone before' (aka c crime network). Wish they had stated from how far away the AIM was fired - apparently stuff like that is more closely guarded.

As they said - rare. What neither categorized it as was as a 'dogfight'.

On an earlier post, it was the Korean War (not Vietnam) where the Armed Forces 're-evaluated' their air-to-air capabilities ... because their loss ratio went WAY up.
There never was much (if any) air-to-air in 'Nam - a lot of surface-to-air, and vice versa. We lost more than a few to SAM missiles in Nam.


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