« ALEA Home | Email msg. | Reply to msg. | Post new | Board info. Previous | Home | Next

Re: The number of people affected by Trump's travel ban: About 90,000 

By: Beldin in ALEA | Recommend this post (3)
Wed, 01 Feb 17 4:04 AM | 57 view(s)
Boardmark this board | The Trust Matrix
Msg. 20921 of 53067
(This msg. is a reply to 20917 by clo)

Jump:
Jump to board:
Jump to msg. #

clo,

Why should Americans care whether the number of non-Americans inconvenienced by temporary travel restrictions is 10, 10,000, or 90,000? It doesn't matter. It is a privilege to enter our country - not a right. If we want to give ourselves time to enhance the security of our society by temporarily restricting the flow of people from problematic countries, then we have every right and responsibility to do so. As POTUS, it is Trump's DUTY to do so.

B.




Avatar

The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. ~ D.H. Lawrence


- - - - -
View Replies (1) »



» You can also:
- - - - -
The above is a reply to the following message:
The number of people affected by Trump’s travel ban: About 90,000
By: clo
in ALEA
Wed, 01 Feb 17 1:47 AM
Msg. 20917 of 53067

The number of people affected by Trump’s travel ban: About 90,000

“Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning.”
— President Trump, tweet, Jan, 30, 2017

“Remember we’re talking about a universe of 109 people. There were 325,000 people that came into this country over a 24 hour period from another country. 109 of them were stopped for additional screening.”
— White House press secretary Sean Spicer, press briefing, Jan. 30, 2017

President Trump and his aides love to cite a small number and a big number in order to minimize the impact of the president’s executive order suspending the visas of citizens of seven countries.

But these figures are incredibly misleading, so let’s go through the math. 

The Facts

First of all, the “325,000” figure is pretty meaningless because the number of people who arrive in the United States on a given day isn’t the issue. The question is how many people from these countries have been affected.

The “109” number is old and rather dubious. For instance, it does not reflect how many people were prevented from even boarding a plane. According to the Department of Homeland Security, 348 people were denied boarding from the issuance of the executive order on Friday through 6 p.m. on Sunday.

An additional 392 green-card holders have been processed and admitted to the United States, the agency says. Originally, the White House had said that green-card holders would also be blocked from entering, but it reversed itself on Sunday under political pressure.

Officials have not responded to repeated requests for an updated number on the number of people detained at U.S. airports. However, the Daily Beast reported that an additional 200 to 250 people were denied entry once their flights landed — and they were part of a larger pool of 735 people at ports of entry who could have been barred from entering the United States.

A Google spreadsheet tracking the experience of Iranian travelers has documented the travails of nearly 300 people, with many describing significant delays or negotiation even if they were allowed into the United States.

But all of these numbers fail to provide the full picture. The real number is about 90,000. 

....
Here’s the breakdown by country:

Iran: 35,363 nonimmigrant visas, 7,179 immigrant visas
Iraq: 13,499 nonimmigrant visas, 2,010 immigrant visas
Syria: 10,061 nonimmigrant visas, 1,901 immigrant visas
Sudan: 5,080 nonimmigrant visas, 1,642 immigrant visas
Yemen: 4,525 nonimmigrant visas, 3,143 immigrant visas
Libya: 3,303 nonimmigrant visa, 272 immigrant visas
Somalia: 331 nonimmigrant visas, 1,078 immigrant visas

The Pinocchio Test

The Trump White House’s figures on the scope of the travel ban are ludicrously low. The universe of people likely affected by the travel suspension is around 90,000 — not 109. The White House should also not use the overall daily number of travelers as a comparison.

Four Pinocchios 

more:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/30/the-number-of-people-affected-by-trumps-travel-ban-about-90000/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_factchecker-645a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.b5a25068d124


« ALEA Home | Email msg. | Reply to msg. | Post new | Board info. Previous | Home | Next