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By: Zimbler0 in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (1)
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Micro > So let me see now. It is YOU and De and ZIM against anyone else who see the building coming down not exactly as our very truthful government has told us it did?


Boss, I was just about ready to let this one go . . .

OK, so I'm going to entertain the notion that 'explosives brought down the twin towers'. Assuming that 'puffs of smoke from every floor as the building was collapsing' is proof that explosives brought it down. That means explosives planted and timed for every floor.

That is a LOT of explosive charges. Where did the explosives come from? Who were the guys who were planting them? Given the amount of explosives and the number of people who would have had to have been involved . . . I just can't see NOBODY talking about it. (Actually rigging the building to blow.)

I would hope that it would be very difficult to find even a few people who would willingly and cold bloodedly wire up something like the WTC for demolition with thousands of people inside it.

You want to believe George Bush ordered it? How many people between Bush and the demolition guys would have willingly gone along with it? Again, I would hope few to none.

There are videos of airplanes flying into the World Trade Center that day. Being as the twin towers did not topple over when the planes slammed into them - I'd have to say that they were very well built.

But I don't think the WTC was built to sustain a jet fuel fire. Nor do I think the building was built to withstand the force of the upper section collapsing onto the lower sections. As each floor collapsed, it's weight was added to the weight falling upon the next floor down.

Think about the roof of your house for a moment. Designed to withstand years and years of rain, snow, hail, hurricanes, etc. etc. No problems. But drop a 500 pound chunk of tree on it from twenty or thirty feet up . . . Does the limb break in two on the ridge? Or does the limb go through the roof? (I'll give you a hint. The roof is designed to withstand all of the likely things that might break it. But to make it '500 pounds of tree proof' would increase the cost and make the house too expensive.)

In my opinion, I do not believe the WTC was designed to withstand multiple floors collapsing. The additional steel needed to do so and the loss of internal space now taken up by more steel would have made it - in my opinion - cost prohibitive.

Can we drop this subject now?

Was Building 7 one of the smaller buildings? I have no opinion as to its fate.

Zim.




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Re: Building #7
By: micro
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Wed, 08 Sep 21 6:26 PM
Msg. 23541 of 52935

so Ribs

is this the way we are going to treat everyone who has a different viewpoint than the one held by somebody else, even though terror events happen all over the world ?

So let me see now. It is YOU and De and ZIM against anyone else who see the building coming down not exactly as our very truthful government has told us it did?

I know GWB is such an honest guy who sits at a table of one world wannabes so we can be sure of anything he says after all.

Here's a simple question for some people who do high school experiments.

DO ALL STEELS have the same melting points or softening points.

Does a high temperature on floor 100 affect the specialty steel from the floor below it or two floors below that? Is that temperature the same down below as it is on the top one?

Inquiring minds want to know..

Lets not talk about STRESS RELEIEVING various types of steels or metals or those temps as they do vary widely.

MAybe I could put on the magic volcano act from science fair and mesmerize everyone with that eruption as well.

Its a real shame that architects and engineers did not design a structural framework that would not supportthe weight of a couple of floors that gave way thus leading to the free fall crashing.

Remind me to never get those guys to design anything for me.

I just prefer to leave options open that seem to make more sense than the load of horse manure that was spewed and we witnessed a tragedy that has question marks all over it.

Have YOU figured out why that superstructure failed like it did even though it was designed NOT TO?

I haven't but then again, architectural and structural engineering were not my majors. I do not posses a doctorate like the two qualified engineers who spent over a year looking at this.

You or I may not necessarily want to believe what they said, but I am NOT in a position of KNOWLEDGE and EDUCATION to refute it either which means there is a possibility they may well be right.

WHY is there so much anger and pushback to consider that report frpm PEs , Doctoral degreed qualified experts who study these things aas possible and anyone who is open to that possibility?

Let me drop a tidbit of information to the board.
DO y'all have any idea where and who designed the Abrams A1 tank? Various parts of it were farmed out to different companies to complete different sections using the strengths of each company's expertise to work on those individual sections..

How do I know this? Because my group worked on the HULL of the tank. And the types of steel used for it and location and borig of all the holes required for the component parts to operate it from the inside.
Specifying particular grades and types of different steels which ALL have different properties such as HEAT resistance, melting temps, impact resistance, hardness and malleability. There is a lot to consider when actually designing something like this, just like there is when a superstructure framework is designed for a very tall high rise structure.

SO one floor collapsed or buckled and that means the the entire framework under it then automatically falls like a deck of cards eh?

I have bridges for sale..

SO the Pope 6 board is now an US versus THEM board, and THEM is all about nothing but space aliens and conspiracy theories according to US.

IF THEM says something contrary to the personal belief of US, THEM is told to go to the conspiracy board and be gone?

Oh my. I cannot begin to list how many things I have read on this board from lots of people I do not agree with or think are dead wrong but have never considered saying farewll and good riddance to.

100th time I will say this: believe what YOU want to about building 7. Its your opinion. Its as good as anyone else's opinion..

Me being a mechanical engineer with a masters am open to the findings of other more highly advanced engineers whose specialties these structures happens to be so I am very interestyed in what they actually FOUND after a year or more of research and fact finding.

It is not just all conspiracy theory. It is a POSSIBILITY that in some views makes sense as to how that superstructure came down in the manner that it did..

It should not have.. Not from fire. To say that the floors below theone the jet went into could not hold up the floor above it is absurd at best. It was designed to do just that or the whole freaking building would collapse under its own weight.

Everyone BELIEVE whatever you want to believe. Let others do the same thing.

I have reasons why I do not accept the story of the fallen structure as it has been passed down. I have never believed it but I am not qualified to prove it.
There are others who are well qualified to look at it objectively and some of them did.

You can choose to not believe them or to believe them.

WHO CARES??? Is it going to change anything here?

Please, everbody, take a deep breath and a time out.

I have done my best to describe WHY I feel the way I do and I do not care what anyone else believes. Stop the US versus THEM crap.. It is NOT a contest..

Thank you.
See ya in a day or two. Taking a time out....

I am in SHOCK over the attitudes.

later.

micro.


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