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Re: A new poll shows 52% of Republicans actually think Trump won the popular vote

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
Mon, 19 Dec 16 10:26 PM | 160 view(s)
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"My view is the existing system isn't perfect but the Union was formed under a system that provided the citizens of all states to have a voice. States joined the union under that premise and to change the rules invalidates the justification for entering the union."

so let's reassemble the union along state lines. those who want to be in a contiguous union with one another should stay together.

although actually, i think the electoral college was a means of setting aside the argument between folks who wanted a popular presidency and those who wanted congress to decide. more of a bodged-together solution than a key justification for joining the union by individual states. the senate expresses the equality of the states more effectively.

i don't agree that the aim is to cast a cloud over trump's presidency. he generated many clouds of his own without assistance. he is reaping his own weather.

but this one came about because he won narrowly in a few swing states but lost massively in larger states like new york and california, as you say. i don't see not bothering to vote as a viable excuse for republicans in california or democrats in michigan. he lost the popular vote by a large margin.

this does undermine his claim to a popular mandate even if he has control of the oval. he's not close to obama's mandate and republicans undermined his presidency for eight years.

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Re: A new poll shows 52% of Republicans actually think Trump won the popular vote
By: xcslewis in ALEA
Mon, 19 Dec 16 8:56 PM 		Msg. 20504 of 54959

The vote margin for the nation was 2.9 million votes.

California alone provided a popular vote margin of 4.3 million votes for Clinton. The Governor's office was not on the ballot. The Senate race was between two Democrats. The 53 representative districts nearly are districts dominated by one party or the other, only 17 are represented by Republicans. There was little incentive for Republicans to vote in California.

In Illinois, there was no Governors race. There was a Republican Senate candidate. There was little difference between the two candidates, both were progressives. In Cook County it is pointless for Republicans to even field candidates in nearly all races. The popular vote margin in Illinois was nearly a million votes for Clinton.

In New York the margin for Clinton was 1.7 million. I haven't looked closely at New York but my guess it is similar to California and Illinois.

My view is the existing system isn't perfect but the Union was formed under a system that provided the citizens of all states to have a voice. States joined the union under that premise and to change the rules invalidates the justification for entering the union.

i understand the entire objective of the effort is to "cast a cloud over trump's presidency".

i suppose an argument could be made the rules for the democratic primaries "cast a cloud over clinton's candidacy and she did not have a clear mandate from the people" that voted in the democratic primaries.


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