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Re: Donald Trumps Education Secretary Pick Wants To Make Christianity A Bigger Part Of Schooling

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
Mon, 05 Dec 16 8:19 PM | 79 view(s)
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hi clo,

the abortion argument is at root one between competing moral and political assertions.

so long as folks decide their own assertion (life is sacred, only women choose) is inviolable, there's no pathway to a resolution in law which will make either side completely happy.

in the end, we bodge together a compromise, which begins with women's absolute right to choose at one end of the pregnancy and ends with the baby's absolute right to life (assuming medical sustainability) at the other. the conversion from the one to the other occurs along the journey.

csl appears to be asserting that the right to life begins at conception. there's no means to disprove it because it isn't a claim which relies on evidence - it's a religious claim based on a particular definition of what life is. he believes this as an irreducible truth. others don't share it. your belief in a woman's right to choose what happens to her body is fairly similar, although not identical.

for myself, i think rights conversations tend to end up with someone telling other people what they can't do. such things depend on one's perspective. libertarians often believe that in such circumstances, the government shouldn't involve itself except to protect an individual person's freedom. but of course, csl also assigns personhood to the foetus.

for myself, i don't really believe in irreducible truths (except the truth that truths aren't irreducible), and i also believe that the universe is naturally paradoxical (a second irreducible truth, which itself is paradoxical, ain't it). which means that issues of this type are doomed to involve competing principles. the best answers are usually also somewhat hypocritical in a paradoxical universe.

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Re: Donald Trumps Education Secretary Pick Wants To Make Christianity A Bigger Part Of Schooling
By: clo in ALEA
Mon, 05 Dec 16 3:51 PM 		Msg. 20365 of 54959

When the fetus can live outside the mother's womb, then its afforded human rights.

Let me be clear, I believe the greatest accomplishments in my life were birthing my three children. I loved being pregnant & feeling life grow inside of me & the miracle of their births.

I don't take the act of abortion lightly, nor do I think it should be abused as a form of birth control.
That is my belief. I don't have the right to impose that on another woman, nor does the government. She has to live with her choice.

The father only has a role if the mother grants one, she is the carrier. Its her body housing & feeding the fetus & she has to be willing to nurture it till its ready to be born. He should had thought of that prior to engaging in sex, and used protection.

It enrages me that the burden seems to always fall on the woman. When my sons were getting to the age of having sex, I made it a habit to inform them it was THEIR responsibility to use protection, even if she said she was on the pill. I pointed out there are sexual diseases that they could have occur without protection & if they thought they were mature enough for that sort of relationship they needed to behave as such.

Parents have the option of opting out & home schooling. Rick Santorum took full advantage of this & received financial payment from the government. As assume others do.

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