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Re: Kasich delivers Ohio

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yes, but that would be a false narrative created by Republicans, which actually doesn't reflect the facts of the time.

the crisis was the result of excessive and risky lending, plus the selling of derivatives on the strength of that lending - a house of cards that relied on the dependability of the ratings agencies to stay upright.

the federal government agencies didn't do sub-prime lending. not at all. it was against their remit.

the banks were creating all of the sub-prime loans for people - for people without good credit. the banks were bundling those loans and transforming them into AAA securities via the ratings agencies. the banks were selling them to the poor fool investors. and they were making huge amounts of money every step of the way.

unfortunately, all housing prices rose due to these securitisation practices, meaning even homes for which there was equity (eg federal loans) got caught up in the downturn.

the ratings agencies looked away, not for virtuous reasons, but because they were making oodles of money.

the regulators looked away because the politics of the time argued that markets self-regulate so government regulation was more-or-less unnecessary.

i get that the republicans argue something different, but you can't ignore the facts and have it be an honest argument.

i agree that the model of making student debt easily available is a problem. all it seems to do is raise tuition fees. this is why i suggested to clo that bernie's strongest argument is over education.




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Re: Kasich delivers Ohio
By: DigSpace
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Mon, 22 Feb 16 3:17 AM
Msg. 18189 of 54959

on 4 the argument would be that the FHA guarantees created the bad loans, that even with derivatives, in the absence of Freddie, Fannie and all of these things designed to get more people into homes 1) there would be fewer bad loans originated and 2) the price of the entire housing market would never had been so high.

And there were regulators. And they looked away because the politics of universally accessible private home ownership trumped enforcement. That is the argument, so while one could argue for or against the Fed bailout, the argument I am illustrating claims there would be nothing to bail out, that the crisis was CAUSED by government, its guarantees etc.

The argument is guaranteed loans created the bubble and that guaranteed loans are doing it again (student debt). In the absence of guaranteed loans demand goes down, houses cost less, tuition is lower, markets are less distorted ... That is the argument.


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