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By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
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"The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church."

So said Tertullian.

During the fourth century, the converted Christian emperors made it their business to destroy competing cults. In particular, they razed the academies and temples of the gentler, more open Neoplatonic religion and killed its teachers. Almost completely removed them from history.

Religious zealots were a large reason for the failure of Ancient Rome. They eroded it from the inside out.

Here's a contemporary letter written by the Emperor Julian the Apostate - the last non-Christian emperor - who opened the doors of Rome to the Christian zealots (the Galilaeans as he knew them) of his era: "I had imagined that the prelates of the Galilaeans were under greater obligations to me than to my predecessor. For in his reign many of them were banished, persecuted, and imprisoned, and many of the so-called heretics were executed … all of this has been reversed in my reign; the banished are allowed to return, and confiscated goods have been returned to the owners. But such is their folly and madness that, just because they can no longer be despots, … or carry out their designs first against their brethren, and then against us, the worshippers of the gods, they are inflamed with fury and stop at nothing in their unprincipled attempts to alarm and enrage the people."

We find ourselves in a similar place. Wondering if we can outsmart a fundamentalist religion that knows only one way to behave. That values death over life.

And that led to the destruction of civilisation for a thousand years.

And we worry about sensitivities.


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constitutional test
By: Cactus Flower
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Sun, 13 Dec 15 3:39 PM
Msg. 17816 of 54959

what you need for immigrants isn't a religious test. it's a constitutional test.

this test wouldn't just deal with learning the document. it would talk about the reasons for the constitutional structure.

why the law is man made. why secular democracy is preferred to theocracy and dictatorship models such as a caliphate. how multicultural societies permit no superior types of religion. why racism is not permissible, for instance against jews. how we think about a person's privacy including private sexual choices. which forms of punishment are allowed and which forms are disqualified eg no cutting off of hands, whipping, crucifiction. what the rule of law is and why it makes sense and why religious legal systems are unworkable. what freedom of speech means and why being critical and/or offensive is part of what it is. how free speech and non-violent protest offer a means to reply. what freedom of religion means and why a buddhist, a jew or an atheist has the same rights as a christian or a moslem. how love and marriage is a personal choice. how killing for reasons of honour makes you repellant and a criminal. why tax is raised and why it isn't applied based on religion. etc.

make classes available to teach this stuff to potential immigrants. you have to pass the class.

then each immigrant has to take a constitutional test in the form of an interview before being admitted.

seems reasonable to me.


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