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Re: Certainty of one's principles 

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (1)
Sat, 12 Dec 15 8:57 PM | 101 view(s)
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Hi clo,

I agree there's also a problem with terrorists born in Western countries. Syed Farook was indeed an American.

His wife, Tashfeen Malik, however, was a Pakistani with a Saudi upbringing who was brought to the US through an immigration filter.

So the San Bernadino event involves both an immigrant and the child of immigrants.

To me, both are issues of immigration. To say that the children of immigrants are not a problem of immigration is to ignore an issue that is worth considering.

In fact, it seems the second generation of Moslem immigrants is the most dangerous one. Perhaps the inability to reconcile two sets of values without the gratitude that many first generation immigrants experience is a part of the problem which needs to be fixed.

Which takes me back to Reform Islam again. Thank goodness some folks see the problem and have been brave enough to try to solve it. Defining Islam for Western believers seems to be necessary.

Of course, this doesn't solve the ISIS/jihad problem or the Saudi/Wahhabi problem. But the solutions to those issues belongs partly in the hands of people from those areas. With luck, Reform Islam spreads everywhere.

ps the problem of ISIS is different to AQ and so we should not assume old models apply. ISIS is an order of magnitude more scary, in my view.


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Re: Certainty of one's principles
By: clo in ALEA
Sat, 12 Dec 15 4:27 PM 		Msg. 17806 of 54959

At first Trump included American Muslims, saying if they left the country they could NOT reenter.

The extremists we need to find are being recruited from within. The husband & Hasan are prime examples. But they are lone wolves, nearly impossible to label prior.

We have extremists & fanatics of many stripes. They all should be weeded out in an ideal world. But that's not going to happen.

Nidal Malik Hasan (born September 8, 1970) is an American convicted of fatally shooting 13 people and injuring more than 30 others in the Fort Hood mass shooting on November 5, 2009.[3] Hasan was a United States Army psychiatrist and Medical Corps major who admitted to the shootings at his court-martial in August 2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan

Obama avoids labeling & inflammatory hyperbole. That doesn't mean he's doing nothing. We don't know how much is in motion behind the scene.

EUROPE'S BORDER CRISIS
DEC 11 2015, 6:44 PM ET
U.S. Agents in Greece Expose Syrian Who Sold Passports Thinking They Were for ISIS
by RICHARD ENGEL and AGGELOS PETROPOULOS

ATHENS — An NBC News investigation has uncovered that a Greece-based document forger — who sold American passports to a U.S. agent after being told they were meant for ISIS — will not be extradited to America anytime soon, since he was not promptly arrested despite a nine-month-long investigation by the Department of Homeland Security.

Speaking to NBC News from inside a Greek prison, Haytham Koubash denied that he forged the passports himself but acknowledged facilitating the sale.

"It's my work," he said, "I don't ask anybody for who or what they want to do with the passports."

more:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/u-s-agents-greece-expose-syrian-who-sold-passports-thinking-n477421


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