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At first Trump included American Muslims, saying if they left the country they could NOT reenter.

The extremists we need to find are being recruited from within. The husband & Hasan are prime examples. But they are lone wolves, nearly impossible to label prior.

We have extremists & fanatics of many stripes. They all should be weeded out in an ideal world. But that's not going to happen.

Nidal Malik Hasan (born September 8, 1970) is an American convicted of fatally shooting 13 people and injuring more than 30 others in the Fort Hood mass shooting on November 5, 2009.[3] Hasan was a United States Army psychiatrist and Medical Corps major who admitted to the shootings at his court-martial in August 2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan

Obama avoids labeling & inflammatory hyperbole. That doesn't mean he's doing nothing. We don't know how much is in motion behind the scene.

EUROPE'S BORDER CRISIS
DEC 11 2015, 6:44 PM ET
U.S. Agents in Greece Expose Syrian Who Sold Passports Thinking They Were for ISIS
by RICHARD ENGEL and AGGELOS PETROPOULOS

ATHENS — An NBC News investigation has uncovered that a Greece-based document forger — who sold American passports to a U.S. agent after being told they were meant for ISIS — will not be extradited to America anytime soon, since he was not promptly arrested despite a nine-month-long investigation by the Department of Homeland Security.

Speaking to NBC News from inside a Greek prison, Haytham Koubash denied that he forged the passports himself but acknowledged facilitating the sale.

"It's my work," he said, "I don't ask anybody for who or what they want to do with the passports."

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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/u-s-agents-greece-expose-syrian-who-sold-passports-thinking-n477421




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Re: Certainty of one's principles
By: Cactus Flower
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Sat, 12 Dec 15 7:01 AM
Msg. 17804 of 54959

I am well aware that you cannot expect a truthful yes or no answer. But there are other ways to ask questions in order to gather answers. Very hard to remain consistent about a position that isn't your own. Have you ever seen a decent attorney at work? Or police interrogators? Lies can be revealed by clever questioners.

But even though you seem to think so, if you cannot winnow Islamists from fundamentalists Moslems, this isn't supportive of your position.

Trump's position of banning all foreign Moslems from entering the US is not obviously worse than one that is reckless in letting bad actors in to do their business. For many people, the preservation of American lives resulting from terrorism is more important than the sensitivities of non-American immigrants and vacationers.

You've got to find a way to target the bad actors. Current policy doesn't work. It just seems a bit weedy and ineffectual, like Obama's ISIS response. It's doing nothing wrapped in a brightly coloured bow. He really thinks ISIS supporters aren't Moslems? Who does he think he is kidding?

To say all jihadists are Moslems is not the same thing as saying all Moslems are jihadists.

Trump is not talking about US Moslems.


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