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Re: San Bernardino Shooting Prompts Nevada Politician To Drop His NRA Membership 

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (1)
Mon, 07 Dec 15 7:33 AM | 46 view(s)
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follow the money. some germans call out saudi finance.

"“From Saudi Arabia, Wahhabi mosques are financed throughout the world,” said Gabriel.

“In Germany many extremists considered dangerous persons emerge from these communities,” he told the newspaper Bild am Sonntag.

Gabriel, who is Chancellor Angela Merkel’s deputy in a left-right coalition, warned against alienating Saudi Arabia, a crucial player in the bid to end the Syrian war, with too much criticism.

“At the same time we must make it clear to the Saudis that the time of looking the other way is over,” said Gabriel, who is also economy minister....

The head of the SPD parliamentary group, Thomas Oppermann, also urged steps against preaching that contradicts the basic freedoms guaranteed in the German constitution.

“We will prevent Saudi help in the building or financing of mosques in Germany where Wahhabi ideas are to be disseminated,” he told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper.

Wahhabism provided the “complete ideology of the Islamic State and contributes in other countries to a radicalisation of moderate Muslims,” he said, adding that “this is something we don’t need and don’t want in Germany”.

The SPD leaders’ comments were published days after Merkel’s government was embarrassed by the release of a damning report on Saudi Arabia by its own foreign intelligence service, the BND."

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1004949/saudi-must-stop-financing-fundamentalist-mosques-abroad-merkels-deputy/

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Re: San Bernardino Shooting Prompts Nevada Politician To Drop His NRA Membership
By: Cactus Flower in ALEA
Sun, 06 Dec 15 2:26 AM 		Msg. 17749 of 54959

hi dig,

i fear there is no short way from A to B in terms of reducing gun violence - as a consequence of the vast number of guns in the US. reducing the number of guns in circulation will take decades. the vast majority of owners are surely not going to relinquish what they already have.

perhaps one can limit the problem by requiring a certificate of mental health prior to purchase - at least to make access by new users a little harder. but that wouldn't have stopped sandy hook, say.

even in a country like france which has strict controls, isisers seem to be able to get hold of guns.

so basically, i think there's no stopping terrorists in the US by restricting access to guns.

but that doesn't mean starting the process of limiting access to guns isn't worthwhile.

set aside the gun violence issue for a second.

obama seems quite determined to ignore the issues with islam which many other countries are experiencing. i have watched a whole bunch of UK debates with non-violent moslems and it seems clear that violence is not the main event. the desire to spread/impose sharia on society is the central aim. it is a goal shared by many "moderate" moslems and jihadists. hence the soft sympathy for isis amongst a large slice of mainstream believers as a means to an end.

if we want to oppose that idea, we have to explain why a different one is better. i think we must rejustify secular law, remember why it is that western societies are stable etc. provide a different vision for young moslems to cleave to. social media can also be our support in spreading a more peaceful gospel.

another problem is saudi finance. but that's a different issue.

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