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Re: San Bernardino Shooting Prompts Nevada Politician To Drop His NRA Membership

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hi dig,

i fear there is no short way from A to B in terms of reducing gun violence - as a consequence of the vast number of guns in the US. reducing the number of guns in circulation will take decades. the vast majority of owners are surely not going to relinquish what they already have.

perhaps one can limit the problem by requiring a certificate of mental health prior to purchase - at least to make access by new users a little harder. but that wouldn't have stopped sandy hook, say.

even in a country like france which has strict controls, isisers seem to be able to get hold of guns.

so basically, i think there's no stopping terrorists in the US by restricting access to guns.

but that doesn't mean starting the process of limiting access to guns isn't worthwhile.

set aside the gun violence issue for a second.

obama seems quite determined to ignore the issues with islam which many other countries are experiencing. i have watched a whole bunch of UK debates with non-violent moslems and it seems clear that violence is not the main event. the desire to spread/impose sharia on society is the central aim. it is a goal shared by many "moderate" moslems and jihadists. hence the soft sympathy for isis amongst a large slice of mainstream believers as a means to an end.

if we want to oppose that idea, we have to explain why a different one is better. i think we must rejustify secular law, remember why it is that western societies are stable etc. provide a different vision for young moslems to cleave to. social media can also be our support in spreading a more peaceful gospel.

another problem is saudi finance. but that's a different issue.


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Re: San Bernardino Shooting Prompts Nevada Politician To Drop His NRA Membership
By: DigSpace
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Sun, 06 Dec 15 12:34 AM
Msg. 17748 of 54959

your points are duly noted, but it does fit the pattern if one simply skips the source of derangement and recognizes that the only thing standing between derangement and mass shootings is a quick stop at a Walmart (albeit recognizing these folks had apparently been patronizing Walmart for some time).

The Planned Parenthood shooter was radicalized by some videos (it seems he used phrases suggesting so) and the San Bernardino Islamist shooter was apparently radicalized by ISIS ... and in the US that's all it takes, the physical militarization of oneself is trivial to the process, it being considerably easier than getting a drivers license, and often easier than voting.

But they are two separate issues, and BO does seem to be lumping them which while not accurate, is functionally is some respects the same, unless we are to suppose that radicalization is something that is going to stop, something that I find to be a consequence of new media - and unlikely to stop.


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