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By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (1)
Sat, 31 Oct 15 6:59 AM | 114 view(s)
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There's the anecdotal case. But show me the large number of dependent poor who actually wish to live that way. Where are the facts to support the right wing, anti-poor narrative?

I have no doubt some people are lazy. But many are desperate. Or desperately unlucky. Or sick. The countries with larger welfare states (eg in Scandinavia) also have the most prosperous economies and the version of the American Dream that functions (ie people changing income quintiles between generations). http://www.businessinsider.com.au/nordic-countries-are-living-out-the-american-dream-2015-10

The American system ain't generous. It's a myth that robust welfare is necessarily inefficient. http://www.oecd.org/els/soc/OECD2014-Social-Expenditure-Update-Nov2014-8pages.pdf


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Re: cont'd D&O
By: tkc in ALEA
Sat, 31 Oct 15 5:29 AM 		Msg. 17492 of 54959

Hi D&O, I am in your camp and I think a majority of U.S. voters are. I re-registered Independent in 2000; vote the candidate in State and local issues while I always vote Dem for national candidates. Nationaly the "new" GOP is wacked on social issues and not at all pragmatic financially. I don't like the "crying heart" too altruistic Dem bent. There are poor that need assistance forever but dang few unless they want to. What's their incentive? They get welfare, section 8 housing, HEAP for utility expense, food stamps, food bank, soup kitchens, free breakfast/lunch/and backpack meals for kids, Salvation Army for clothes, free flip phones et al. They can get cash from their "benefit cards" for cigs & booze. Medicade for healthcare including free transportation to and from. This is all meant to help for a while, not a lifetime. We do too many a disservice providing all this for too long. Yes some are truely needy. Growing up in the '50s I never heard of a Social Worker, not even after studying Sociology in collage did I know it was an occupation. My gosh, now they're everywhere, taxpayer funded. Should the government be the altruist? I think the Dems go too left too often. I'm w/ you in the middle.

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