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Re: How Republicans saw their debate

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Hi D&O.

I am curious where you see yourself. How do you distinguish your views from those of the Republican Party? I kinda get the sense that you share quite a lot, especially on the economics. But maybe I am wrong.

eg if I was 0% HRC, saw the media as victimising the GOP, felt that exposing Trump as a clown was a bad thing - I'd think that I was consuming and swallowing right wing media (which is whence these things emanate) and that I probably have a strong rightwards leaning. Not that you can ever find a Republican who admits to listening to Limbaugh or watching Fox News. And yet, somehow, they hear them and adopt the same views.

It wouldn't be right to disavow the party just because their ideas have caused so many calamities. It's the ideas that don't work. The party people merely impose them. eg the NeoCon obsession with using the military to solve regional problems, the loosening of regulations that led to the security products which destroyed the economy, austerity measures that added to the harms, blaming the poor for their situation. It doesn't really matter that Bush was president during a long series of disasters. He held right/Republican types of doctrines. And anyone who holds them has to explain why it is they think they will work better in the future than they did in the past.

I agree that comparing answers is a good thing. But I would have each candidate in a sound-proof room while the other candidate answers the question.


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Re: How Republicans saw their debate
By: Down And Out Man
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Fri, 30 Oct 15 10:53 PM
Msg. 17483 of 54959

You want to see some talking head "moderator" argue with a candidate? I don't. If I want that, I'll watch them interview the guy on their talking head show.

I want them to ask their question, then shut up and stay out of the way. If the candidate's answer includes false "facts", I'd like to see if one of the other candidates will call him out on it. The "debate" should be between the candidates, not a moderator and a candidate.

I have zero interest in letting the talking heads make these shows as much about themselves as they are the candidates. Again, I'll watch an interview if I want to see a one on one between the talking head and the politician. Plenty of chances for those on many channels.

It pretty much is out of line to ask someone (even the bozo trump) if his is a comic book campaign, or quote some third party about chances equivalent to flapping wings and flying away. Yeah, Harwood, we already know what your opinion is......

The customer for these things is the voters. The dumbasses asking the questions apparently have no clue what we'd like to hear discussed, or they'd dispense with the baiting and ask better questions.

Then, once in a while, when a (possibly) insightful issue finally comes out, they only let one of the candidates speak to it. Somebody else will want to address it, but "NO!!!, I want to ask you about (fill in the blank - why did you cash your IRA, why do you think your poll numbers are bad, do you think we should regulate Fantasy Football, blah blah.)"

For crying out loud, let all the candidates speak to the same subject, for once in my life! How am I supposed to compare A and B on foreign policy if A is asked how to deal with ISIS, and then B is asked if he thinks C has an ugly tie?

I've not seen a "debate" in many years without coming away pissed at how it was run. But the CNBC one was the worst EVER. (Well, maybe Tapper's rivaled it!) The candidates have a valid point. That "debate" was not well designed to help voters understand the candidate's positions on the most important issues.

I agree with Carson, change the format, give more time for more than "sound bite" answers. Let everybody address the same issues. Give the voters some insight into how their positions and philosophy compare and differ.

If you think I'm defending the GOP, think again. There's not much more chance of me voting for those bozos than for Hillary. She has a zero percent chance of getting my vote, and depending on who the GOP puts up, it's between zero and about 1%. I have about as much use for the GOP as I do the Dems. (Close to none.)

But I can certainly see a great difference in how they're treated. They (GOP) bring part of that upon themselves. But you have to lean well left to not be able to see the difference. And I "understand" that.



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