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Bernie & Trump have attracted the angry Americans.
They both offer one-liners, without policy.

Neither have said HOW they would be able to have their ideas enacted.

Its ironic, Trump isn't really a republican, he's from NY.
And Bernie isn't a democrat, & neither smile much.

One of the MOST important jobs POTUS has, is to nominate Supreme Court Justices.

New poll: (I don't get Ben Carson either?)
CNN / ORC Poll: Trump tops in Iowa as Scott Walker drops

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump has a significant lead in the race to win over likely Iowa caucus-goers, according to the first CNN/ORC poll in the state this cycle.

Trump tops the field with 22% and is the candidate seen as best able to handle top issues including the economy, illegal immigration and terrorism. He's most cited as the one with the best chance of winning the general election, and, by a wide margin, as the candidate most likely to change the way things work in Washington.

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson follows Trump in overall preference with 14%, bumping Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who had held the top spot in most recent public polling in Iowa, down to third place with 9%. Walker is nearly even with a slew of other candidates.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/iowa-donald-trump-poll-cnn-orc/index.html




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Re: Voting extremes
By: Cactus Flower
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Thu, 13 Aug 15 2:28 AM
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hi clo,

i don't worry so much about that kind of stuff. if he beats hc, the dems will support him in the election. he caucuses with them.

but it's the policies that matter. and he seems to have a fairly standard liberal set of ideas over a long period of time.

a guess. i think he avoids being a party member so he can evade the demands of whips. eg he stands out as someone who voted against the iraq war when nearly all party members were browbeaten into compliance. he wants to vote his conscience, not the current party line.

the party line, it seems, is often set by plutocrats. so this may be why he has such a sympathetic-seeming voting record.

hc, on the other hand, is much more of a party liner and i think this may be the theme of these insurgent candidacies: a rejection of the traditional, controlled party hierarchies in favour of outsiders.

at any rate, when you set aside the "socialist" label, he seems to have ideas which many liberals agree with. and that is what many voters are looking for.

on the other hand, if i find he is going to seek to capture the means of production on behalf of government, then i would be totally disinterested in his candidacy. i'm a mixed economy sort of person. public goods and private property. both. run alongside one another depending upon what is practical rather than what is philosophically ideal.

as you can tell, i don't quite know him well enough to know how far he takes his social agenda.


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