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Re: Voting extremes

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
Wed, 12 Aug 15 8:42 PM | 95 view(s)
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I've lived in a socialist country under a political party that wanted to own/control the means of production.

I don't advocate it. Not one bit. Same as I don't advocate brutalist capitalism. Not one bit.

Bernie appears to me to believe in the value of selected public goods within a market/private ownership/democratic setting.

That's not the same thing as pure socialism. It is, in fact, a variation on what most people hanker for when you isolate issues one at a time. The extremists want philosophical purity. He seems both idealistic and pragmatic. Yes. He seems to want to push the dial leftwards. No. I don't see him wanting to eradicate private property along socialist lines. Instead, he wants to expand various public goods (eg roads, healthcare, rail etc) and to narrow the inequality gap in the private domain, as many do.

Maybe one day the television shows will actually tell folks what he believes in. As opposed to sticking labels on him like pins on a donkey.

(Not that he helps himself!)


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Re: Voting extremes
By: Cactus Flower in ALEA
Wed, 12 Aug 15 7:28 PM 		Msg. 17289 of 54959

hi clo,

personally i think bernie should call himself a social democrat rather than a democratic socialist.

but labels don't mean much if that's all they are.

here are the things he believes according to wikipedia, and really, clo, many of them are similar to the things you believe.

"Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist, and praises the Nordic Model of social democracy. He primarily focuses on economic issues such as income inequality, wealth inequality, raising the minimum wage, universal healthcare, eliminating student debt and expanding social security benefits. Sanders also advocates for bold action to reverse global warming and infrastructure investment in the United States with "energy efficiency and sustainability" as a prominent goal. He has worked with Republican Congressman Ron Paul to audit the Federal Reserve.

Sanders has advocated for more democratic participation by citizens, campaign finance reform and the overturn of Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. He has decried institutional racism, called for criminal justice reform to reduce the number of people in prison and advocates a crack down on police brutality. Sanders was a strong opponent of the U.S. invasion of Iraq and has been critical of a number of policies surrounding the War on Terror, particularly mass surveillance and the Patriot Act."

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