...what Im saying there sportfan is that ya ought to have to show an id to vote or buy a gun. It's not that there is that much fraud, it is that elections must not have any suspicion of fraud if you expect an elected government to have any moral authority. I owe no allegiance to any government elected by illegal aliens.

Liberals are like a "Slinky". Totally useless, but somehow ya can't help but smile when you see one tumble down a flight of stairs!