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By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (2)
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In sum, I believe the following things were in play:

amongst the obstructions
autocratic structure of the church (eg papal authority, index, publishing imprimatur, inquisition)
church politics
conservative clergymen
unified theology
overlapping magisteria (science and theology)
existing aristotelian/ptolemaic cosmology and its eccentricities (eg perfect circles)
science of confirmation
culture of submission
limitations in the evidence
some funky elements in the new theories (tycho's model, kepler's perfect solids, galileo's tides)
divisive personality of galileo

amongst the forces in favour of progress (in the direction of the heliocentric model)
wealth expands in secular society (dutch merchants, florentine bankers) leads to new sources of patronage
universities
printing press
protestantism and culture in north-western europe
progressive clergymen
telescope
complexities and failures of ptolemaic system
copernicus' model
observations and critiques of galileo
observations and evidence from tycho's observatory
kepler's mathematics
later newtonian solutions
science of refutation
individual determination of scientists seeking truths outside the mainstream

soup to nuts (copernicus to newton), it took a bit less than 150 years for the copernican revolution to take effect.


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Re: Copernican Revolution etc**
By: Cactus Flower
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Tue, 28 Jul 15 6:02 AM
Msg. 17214 of 54959

by the way, i am not much of a faith versus science person. i am interested in the clashing forces of history. and the rising power of the papacy and the emergence of secular science are both interesting studies.

it kinda seems that the galileo affair has got drawn into the discussion of the papal infallibility doctrine amongst catholics and folks who want to take a pop at catholicism. hence the effort to justify the decisions of the inquisitors.

for me that is not a part of the discussion that i am interested in. catholics wonder if their pope is infallible. i assume he is not. it's just an argument between the guy pushing the imperfect new idea and the resistance of the chaps with the old ones.

but that doesn't mean i hate a well-meaning form of religion. when it is done kindly, it is an effort to understand, to find meaning, to stand where the universe doesn't offer much friendly ground.

or as steven j gould puts it:

"To anyone who feels cosmically discouraged at the prospect of life as a detail in a vast universe not evidently designed for our presence . . . consider the much greater fascination and intellectual challenge of such a mysterious but knowable universe, compared with a "friendlier" and more familiar cosmos that only mirrors our hopes and needs."


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