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We think that it is good and healthy that same sex partners want the blessing of the church for their unions, particularly when they might be wanting to raise children that they might adopt. When the church as an institution decided that it will not marry these people, it is also making the decision that it does not want them in its midst in any way, shape, or form. For those who believe that homosexuality is just a lifestyle choice, the act of exclusion denies everyone the opportunity to be changed because to change another person is to go through the act of change in oneself. I do not believe that being gay is a lifestyle choice but I do want as many souls in church as is possible, and getting married there is one way of doing that.

Would we deny gay people a church funeral?

The acts of isolation and exclusion have wounded the church very deeply as it attempts to achieve purity in a world that is not pure. Jesus came to save souls for his church and got very dirty with people whom society did not care for at that time. And, he is totally silent on the subject of gays altogether. If they want to get married in a church I am all for it. And I would hope that they might become regular attendees with their children after that time. God only knows we can use all the parents for this worlds forgotten orphans that we can find just as much as we need to fill as many empty pews as we possibly can.


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Re: Roy Moore and Marriage
By: oldCADuser
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Tue, 17 Feb 15 1:45 AM
Msg. 09186 of 65535

The problem with 'marriage' is that both society and the government have taken the term 'marriage' and given it a legal definition so that it could be applied when determining who benefits from all sorts of 'secular' rights and privileges, the vast majority of which have absolutely NO religious component to them at all, and if they did, they would probably be seen as running contrary to the 1st Amendment, just that many of these 'rights and privileges' pre-date the Constitution itself.

Perhaps we should adopt the way this is handled in many other parts of the world, where getting 'married', the legal act, and having a 'wedding', often a religious service, or at least one with certain 'religious' trappings and overtones, are two totally different activities. The irony is that for a large number of people in the US, we already have half that system in place today, as many people are married by justices of the peace, judges, or people licensed by the state to do so, such as the 'wedding chapels' in places like Las Vegas. That way, only the 'marriage' part of the procedure would be needed to establish for a couple all of the 'rights and privileges' reserved for those legally recognized as being married under the law. As to whether there's ever a 'wedding' performed, that would be purely a social/religious ceremony which would confer NO additional 'rights and privileges', in the eyes of the state at least, on the couple involved. In other words, lets separate the church and state a bit more explicitly here, make everyone get a 'marriage' license, but deem 'weddings' as being purely optional, period!

Anyway, that's my option on the subject.


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