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Re: Jews leave France due to extreme Moslems

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maybe western moslems will set up a new sort of reform islam that is tolerable for moslems (and others) living in the west. not sunni. not shia. no more of these top notch theologians from some backwards society imparting wisdoms about stoning adulterers and banning music. we need a version of islam that has the bits about alms, fasting, prayer, hospitality etc but accepts its place as one of many religions, that submits to the rule of law, that allows folks to drop in and drop out, that gives women equal rights etc.

we need an explicitlly non-fundamentalist version of islam.

we need an islam that is unconnected to the me-victim, barbaric-justice monster which inhabits the islamic crescent.

use the koran like folks use the bible. mine it for the valuable stuff and call the rest allegorical.




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Re: Jews leave France due to extreme Moslems
By: Cactus Flower
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Tue, 13 Jan 15 4:25 PM
Msg. 16675 of 54959

"What is wrong with “multiculturalism”? That depends on how you define it. If you mean “tolerating or celebrating the customs of people from another land,” it’s fine—and desirable. The U.S. would be bland and uniform without its many immigrants, their celebrations and holidays, their food, their politics, their philosophies, and so on. But when multiculturalism involves importing antidemocratic ideas into a democratic culture, then it becomes problematic. The kind of “multiculturalism” that Charlie Hebdo opposed, and wished to be dissolved by “French” values, was Islam’s veneration of sharia law, its institutionalization of the subjugation of women, its calls for the death of apostates, gays, and adulterers, its belief in corporal punishment for criminals, and the Muslim habit, in some places, of patrolling the streets, looking to find and admonish young Muslims partying, drinking, listening to music, dancing, and associating with members of the other sex. Fun is a no-no.

In other words, the more “enlightened” French are uncomfortable with those tenets of Islam that conflict with the values of the Enlightenment; and it’s just too bad if asking Muslims to conform to those values makes them uncomfortable. By all means keep your Ramadan, your delicious food, your clothing (except, perhaps, the veil), your prayers, your mosques, and so on. But don’t you dare try to quash freedom of speech, beat your wives, kill your daughters, or try to practice sharia law in France."

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/01/11/reza-aslan-blames-charlie-hebdo-massacre-on-frances-inability-to-tolerate-multiculturalism/

So how many people are Charlie Hebdo? Really. It isn't just about freedom of speech. It's about saying something meaningful in spite of it being difficult and against the consensus.


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