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Re: Oh contraire Alea

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the sad thing was how predictable it all was to anyone with some history to work with.

this is why i can't support hc. she lacks judgement, bravery and foresight where it counts.

11 Mar 2003, 04:31 PM EST

"weby, We can agree to differ.

But
1. Your ideas will create the problem you wish to avoid. It's a dragon's teeth philosophy. It will make more al Qaeda terrorists, not less.

2. Posting 100,000 soldiers in the heart of the Middle East makes fundamentalist regimes more likely, not less.

3. Why should the Arabs be part of the American Empire? - after all, this is really what the Pax Americana you describe is.

4. The power of the US military exercised in this way is useless against an invisible enemy that uses box cutters to take over airliners.

5. You make soldiers a target in a hostile land. The body bags will be coming home soon enough and the US's will will be sapped.

6. The neoConservative policy of supporting Israel against Palestine is not likely to be a winning one.

In sum, the US will own some bases in Iraq, and it will have created a whole load of new and unnecessary problems. "




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Re: Oh contraire Alea
By: Cactus Flower
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Sat, 06 Dec 14 6:04 PM
Msg. 16446 of 54959

those are other reasons not to invade iraq.

for me it was recreating the terrorist monster. i called it sowing dragon's teeth after the story of jason and the argonauts. and sadly, that is precisely what has happened.

what were you saying at the time, doma? i don't remember your contemporaneous posts. my main memory is of cm, HhH and me arguing with almost everyone else on the boards that it was a bad idea. but a lot of folks said nothing. many amplified saddam's threat, pretending he was a new hitler or stalin, threatening the whole world.

06 Mar 2003, 12:14 AM EST

"eamonnshute, except in terms of threat level. He's a local despot, but he is also a eunuch in terms of the extent of his power. Stalin was very different in this.

To those who seem to think my game is "peace in our time" with Iraq, please read what I am saying very carefully. My concern is the war with al Qaeda and other fundamentalist terrorist groups. My aim is to show that anything the US does in Iraq should be constructed so as not to harm the main cause of the West (and Russia for that matter) which is against Moslem fundamentalism. The thing that I fear most is dragon's teeth.

In this light, the last thing one wants is for the US to be seen as the bully boy in the region. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that this is the picture GWB is painting, if not by design. I think I can have a fairly decent stab at envisaging exactly the sort of resentment this unilateralist approach will create. And I also think I can guess fairly well the response that will come of it. 2 new terrorists for every woman killed. 10 for every child.

The alternative is to demonstrate patience and resolve, both. The Arab world and Europe can be delivered into a coalition if the US and UK are seen to be reasonable, deliberate and capable of listening. The US may want to win the war, but crucially, it's also got to find a way to win the peace. That comes from being seen to be a reluctant warrior, in my opinion, and to be the leader of a world coalition of willing followers. Is that unAmerican? It was done by the father. Why not by the son? "


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