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Mon, 17 Nov 14 10:09 PM | 68 view(s)
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Hi D&O,

I think the climate people have made the wrong argument for years. It isn't that it is certain. It is that it is a high enough risk of catastrophe which we can fix at a manageable cost that it makes sense to make the changes. And when we innovate, we grow opportunities in the economy. So we can make renewable energy efficient while also reaping economic benefits. Win-win.

If there was a 20% likelihood of global warming being true that would be enough. It is the potential damage to nature that is scary. We are already in the sixth great extinction of life on earth. And that is undoubtedly what we have wrought.

But science involves theories and counter-theories, of course. For myself, I think the argument for CO2 increasing heat is pretty much the case. But other factors also influence the amount of heat on earth, including the heat source, of course!




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Re: Sun spot climate theory
By: Down And Out Man
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Mon, 17 Nov 14 9:04 PM
Msg. 16302 of 54959

Interesting read that parallels some of my own thoughts. (Yes, I'm a bit of a weather/climate geek, and have been for about forty years or so.)

I've found much of the AGW crowd incredibly arrogant and unwilling to consider just how much really isn't known or properly understood. (Except by them. Just ask them.) And how absolutely sure of themselves they are regarding, not only their predictions, but the accuracy of their past data that they put so much stock in.

Even if we are contributing to warming...is that a net bad? Winners and losers. Who is to say the status quo is the proper desirable benchmark? Even if we could reverse/negate human impact, the climate will change over time anyhow, as it always has. How come I never see any (politically incorrect) mention about the root cause...population growth? World population nearly tripling in my lifetime, still growing at 75 million a year. Most aspiring to the increased standard of living that involves increased carbon emissions.

I just hope the dude predicting dark winter is wrong. Cold is way more miserable than hot, in my book. And in this part of the world, it takes WAY more energy to heat a house in winter than cool it in summer. And I'm fairly well south of the Mason Dixon line.

But we're going to have to shut down some of our coal burning plants, in favor of natural gas. Just wait'll you see how expensive gas gets when demand goes way up. Especially after "they" decide that the fracking required for our new supplies is undesirable and put a stop to it.

D&O, hoping my fears of an extended, multi years long cold period are wrong!


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