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Re: Swear to God - or Leave the U.S. Air Force

By: oldCADuser in FFFT3 | Recommend this post (0)
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How is it NOT a religious test?

If someone is being denied the ability to remain in the employ of the federal government based solely on whether or not they choose to include "so help me God" in an oath, how can this NOT be construed as being a 'religious test'? I suspect that the courts will agree with me on this one. Besides, I'm sure that there are dozens, if no hundreds, of other 'federal employees' who have not been 'let go' for exercising their rights to skip the aforementioned passage so this would provide many precedents which could be sited by counsel.

BTW, were you aware that even the use of the words 'swearing an oath' has religious overtones, which is why the Constitutions clearly allows that a person may either 'swear' or 'affirm' their intentions when taking office? This was included in the Constitution at the specific request of the Quakers for whom 'swearing an oath' was to violate scripture as stated in James 5:12. Other Christians believe this as well. Even Catholics were taught years ago that they could not be a member of any organization which required that they "swear an oath" before they were allowed to join.




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Re: Swear to God - or Leave the U.S. Air Force
By: keystone
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Tue, 09 Sep 14 3:22 AM
Msg. 02100 of 65535

"So help me God"

The Enlistment oath and officer's Oath of Office both contain this phrase. Normally, it is not required to be said if the speaker has a personal or moral objection, as is true of all oaths administered by the United States government. However, a change in October 2013 to Air Force Instruction 36-2606 made it mandatory to include the phrase during Air Force enlistments/reenlistments. This change has made the instruction "consistent with the language mandated in 10 USC 502".

Tough call OCU. It doesn't seem to be a "religious test" so it would appear that Article VI does not decide the question.

I suggest the Supreme Court would have to determine if AFI 36-2606 is Constitutional.


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