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"Germany took the dramatic step Thursday of asking the top U.S. intelligence official in Berlin to leave the country, following two reported cases of suspected U.S. spying and the yearlong spat over eavesdropping by the National Security Agency.

The move reflects growing impatience in Germany at what is perceived as U.S. nonchalance about being caught spying on a close ally.

“The representative of the U.S. intelligence services at the United States embassy has been asked to leave Germany,” government spokesman Steffen Seibert said in a statement.

“The request occurred against the backdrop of the ongoing investigation by federal prosecutors as well as the questions that were posed months ago about the activities of U.S. intelligence agencies in Germany,” he said. “The government takes the matter very seriously.”

Seibert said Germany continues to seek “close and trusting” cooperation with its Western partners, “especially the United States.”

Shortly before the decision was announced, Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters that Germany and the United States had “very different approaches” to the role of intelligence agencies.

She stressed the need for greater trust between allies, a position she has repeatedly voiced since reports last year that the National Security Agency eavesdropped on her cellphone."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ally-germanys-merkel-not-amused-by-us-spy-cases/2014/07/10/45a0918a-081f-11e4-8615-4eddc1f1cffa_story.html?wpisrc=al_national




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Re: germany expels us spy
By: Cactus Flower
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Thu, 10 Jul 14 7:26 PM
Msg. 15843 of 54959

No. My own country is equally bad.

But spying on allies, especially when they are discussing their response to your surveillance, isn't the smartest move.

The US is surveilling everyone, everywhere using the world wide network. When it starts considering the costs of doing so, maybe the conversation will be more constructive. Meanwhile, everyone, everywhere is deciding to avoid US network equipment, is deciding to reroute their networks so information doesn't touch the US, is building their infrastructure around national servers etc.

So the sum total of taking advantage of a security vulnerability in a beneficial common network framework is loss of trust in the US and commercial harm. I reckon I'm the supporter of US interests in this conversation. Whereas the folks who justify untrustworthy behaviours are self-harmers. They won't admit the issues they cause their country.


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