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that will work. a blizzard of details about engine capabilities rather than atmospheric resistance.

we know from the simulation software that the engines are capable of reaching mach 0.86 at 2,000 feet. in my view, that's off the table.

mach numbers relate to velocity and altitude. the two variables are air density and air temperature. they create effects in opposite directions depending on altitude.

the stress waves that are capable of destroying the frame of the aircraft are much the same at any altitude so long as the mach number is the same. one learns this by reading about mach numbers. this is what the engineer was saying.

when an aircraft exceeds a particular mach number, it will break up. he says that number is mach 0.86. sounds much in line with other planes.

so if the aircraft cannot safely reach mach 0.86 at lower altitudes, it cannot be because of the atmosphere. it cannot be because of the effect of air density on the frame. air density and temperature act to balance one another out, more-or-less. that's the physics.

so if you are looking to explain a low altitude speed limit, it must be for some other reason.

my guess - engine heating leading to swift degradation. if you go fast at a low altitude the engine overheats. if so, then the question is how fast does an engine overheat and at what velocity?

i dunno. i don't really care. i have no doubt at all that 9/11 was an al qaeda terrorist attack using commercial aircraft. and clearly the theory that it was something different hasn't got the support structure necessary to make a difference. it's a conspiracy theory for folk who believe in conspiracy theories and who haven't got the data they need at their fingertips. but the theories stay afloat in the fog of general ignorance.

i have other things that interest me a bit more than this.


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Parasite Drag & Velocity........
By: faul
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Sat, 21 Jun 14 6:48 PM
Msg. 15707 of 54959

Parasite drag doubles with velocity and parasite power cubes with velocity......

Thus, the resultant power needed to overcome this drag will vary as the cube of velocity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(physics)


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"For high velocities (or more precisely, at high Reynolds number) drag will vary as the square of velocity. Thus, the resultant power needed to overcome this drag will vary as the cube of velocity."
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Drag depends on the properties of the fluid and on the size, shape, and speed of the object. One way to express this is by means of the drag equation:
F_D\, =\, \tfrac12\, \rho\, v^2\, C_D\, A
where
FD is the drag force,� is the density of the fluid,[9]v is the speed of the object relative to the fluid,A is the cross-sectional area, andCD is the drag coefficient – a dimensionless number.
The drag coefficient depends on the shape of the object and on the Reynolds number:
R_e=\frac{vD}{\nu}
where D is some characteristic diameter or linear dimension and ν is the kinematic viscosity of the fluid (equal to the viscosity μ divided by the density). At low Reynolds number, the drag coefficient is asymptotically proportional to the inverse of the Reynolds number, which means that the drag is proportional to the speed. At high Reynolds number, the drag coefficient is more or less constant. The graph to the right shows how the drag coefficient varies with Reynolds number for the case of a sphere.

For high velocities (or more precisely, at high Reynolds number) drag will vary as the square of velocity. Thus, the resultant power needed to overcome this drag will vary as the cube of velocity. The standard equation for drag is one half the coefficient of drag multiplied by the fluid mass density, the cross sectional area of the specified item, and the square of the velocity.

Wind resistance is a layman's term for drag. Its use is often vague, and is usually used in a relative sense (e.g. a badminton shuttlecock has more wind resistance than a squash ball).


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