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Sat, 21 Jun 14 7:43 AM | 27 view(s)
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hi dig,

i'm going on what i read in which the phrasing is "largely independent of pressure".

"The Mach number is commonly used both with objects traveling at high speed in a fluid, and with high-speed fluid flows inside channels such as nozzles, diffusers or wind tunnels. As it is defined as a ratio of two speeds, it is a dimensionless number. At Standard Sea Level conditions (corresponding to a temperature of 15 degrees Celsius), the speed of sound is 340.3 m/s[5] (1225 km/h, or 761.2 mph, or 661.5 knots, or 1116 ft/s) in the Earth's atmosphere. The speed represented by Mach 1 is not a constant; for example, it is mostly dependent on temperature and atmospheric composition and largely independent of pressure. Since the speed of sound increases as the temperature increases, the actual speed of an object traveling at Mach 1 will depend on the fluid temperature around it. Mach number is useful because the fluid behaves in a similar way at the same Mach number. So, an aircraft traveling at Mach 1 at 20°C or 68°F, at sea level, will experience shock waves in much the same manner as when it is traveling at Mach 1 at 11,000 m (36,000 ft) at −50°C or −58F, even though it is traveling at only 86% of its speed at higher temperature like 20°C or 68°F." wikipedia - mach number

picking it up as i go along and thinking about what it means for the 9/11 planes.

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Re: Absolutely Nothing
By: DigSpace
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Sat, 21 Jun 14 5:53 AM
Msg. 15681 of 54959

on the independence to pressure but depdendence of temperature ... can one ever dissociate the pressure from the temperature of a gas? just an extrapolation of PV=nRT. I realize the ideal gas law is a closed system thingy and that the atmosphere is it not the place to apply it, but it seems that given the fundamentals of the ideal gas law that some component of the inverse relationship of T and P e gases must be in some way inescapable such that a fancy enough mathmetician could come up with a working formula that lacked temperature and had instead pressure?


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