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Re: obama not to be trusted with building blocks of western values 

By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (1)
Mon, 27 Jan 14 7:36 PM | 88 view(s)
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the interesting thing about the snowden case is that it exposes the crumbling of the two key pillars of western governance: personal freedom (including the presumption of a right to privacy); and the rule of law (by which sovereign representatives are held accountable to the law in the same way as everyone else is).

1. snowden revealed that universal surveillance has been secreted into the marketplace sneakily and at the expense of everyone's privacy.

2. in consequence, snowden has been pursued as a criminal, whereas the folks from previous administrations, who created and concealed these hideous programmes, smile and go fishing.

and yet in revealing them, snowden has finally set the debate, and the law, in motion. and those who operated in the dark and who confused their omerta with righteousness are now exposed.

what a wonderful thing sunlight is.

and snowden is its author.


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Re: obama not to be trusted with building blocks of western values
By: Cactus Flower
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Sun, 26 Jan 14 9:56 PM
Msg. 15162 of 54959

of course, republicans are beyond the pale, having introduced broad surveillance, torture, assassination, offshore prisons and secret rendition, as well as launching a war based on lies.

gwb's presidency was far the worst in living memory. and that's before you get to the financial crash, the ensuing economic destruction and new orleans.

some might add 9/11 to the pile.


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