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Re: How does a person wake up from coma speaking Welsh

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as i understand it, the generational barrier to memory has traditionally been considered fairly impermeable. john locke defined the notion of the blank slate in the seventeenth century. we come into life without intrinsic knowledge.

but this view is challenged by folks saying that we may be hard-wired morally and to an extent behaviourally before we are born (or pre-programmed in doma-speak) and there's not much we can do about it.

i guess i am not sure if being hard-wired also counts as some sort of genetic memory.

and then (in wildly speculative fashion) perhaps language is partly wire. can a chicken hatched in a lab figure how to chirrup? it can.

so can an unconscious welshman somehow inherit his own language?

Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau

[random link re hard-wiring:
http://www.livescience.com/6906-ancient-behaviors-hard-wired-human-brain.html ]

only the coma knows the mind of the comatose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVtswmhmcxs

I think I understand.




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Re: How does a person wake up from coma speaking Welsh
By: DigSpace
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Thu, 05 Sep 13 11:24 PM
Msg. 14584 of 54959

to the extent that memory in e.g. a butterfly can be described as initiating a program of behavior in a generational fashion then I suppose so.

Another view in this case might be that the DNA builds brains that contain a program that is activated by certain ques. Or some of this is epigenetic (but can still be DNA, but not in a genetic code sense), DNA can be modified a great deal, that can be heretible (e.g. genomic imprinting). We know somatic daughter cells suffer telomere loss (a sort of cell generational clock) but that for the most part gametes are somehow protected from this but one could imagine some sort of change like this that is cumulative, triggers behavior at a critical point, and triggers normalization to zero point (an etch a sketch) for multigenerational behavioral patterns. A similar truth is that more than just DNA is passed on from generation to generation, one gets some cytoplasm and other such goodies usually from the mother side of the equation, each round of fertilization could increase or decrease the concentration of some marker that ultimately serves as a trigger, a self-resetting trigger. It is a pitiful amount of soup we are talking about, it would have to be maintained until it was time to crank out gametes, but its ability to contain some information cannot be discarded.

It is plainly the case that these non-DNA and/or non-code-specific-DNA play a role in outcomes essentially affording haploid gene expression at effected alleles.

this brings up Dolly, the sheep the folks in Edinburgh made. the cloning went fine, but the sheep was "old" presumably due to the unprotected status of telomeres in the somatic donor nuclei, but easily as a consequence of other amendments allowed in somatic cells that gametes somehow avoid.

as far as the welsh thing goes ... I recon everybody speaks welsh at some point in their life, its something that just happens, the coma thing is likely just a coincidence.


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