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Re: *Re: absurd that you can line up people by ethnicity and/or politics

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hi dig,

as you know, i think these laws are asinine.

but if folks write them and vote for them, i don't see how a person can act illegally by staying within them.

i agree it is robotic, and certainly it seeks to remove emotion from the decision, but that's kinda the way the law mostly works.

is a person legally justified in defending themselves? sure. if they reasonably believe their life is in danger. the law apparently says the weapon you use to do so may be of a lethal sort.

now if we are arguing morality, that's a whole different affair. just because one is permitted to carry a gun does not mean one should not carry pepper spray as an alternative.

florida law does not ask this question. so it didn't come up. but that's where i think right action and lawful action diverge.

but z did not think about that. he chose the kind of weapon that ends life rather than the one that defends it. so there's a discrepancy between the thing he was permitted to do and what might have been a better and gentler choice.

this is the way i might reflect on my actions if it was me - did i do the right thing in arming myself in this way? or was it just the legally permissible thing to do? did i give myself the option of preserving rather than taking life? even in a position in which i myself was fearful.

in z's shoes, i might ponder those points while seeking absolution in a monastery for a few years. by choice.


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*Re: absurd that you can line up people by ethnicity and/or politics
By: DigSpace
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Mon, 15 Jul 13 10:34 PM
Msg. 14080 of 54959

at some point the argument seems a bit robotic and dismisses jury nullification, which the courts seem to explicitly allow but forbid from being mentioned in their courts.

generally nullification is to deliver a "not guilty" when the "law" was clearly violated beyond a reasonable doubt.

while most forms of killing are generally against the law, this is the curious case where a specific law seeks to allow more killing in certain circumstances and seeks to define in in some detail what does permit killing.

* i guess a clarifying point is this: should Z had been found guilty of anything if there was no stand your ground law? it seems the manslaughter wording is a bit more onerous than I am accustomed to thinking, in which case perhaps still 'not guilty'

but I do not see how this law is above nullification.

you said it yourself, it is a dumb ass law.


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